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Obviously the size of our body should be top of mind when we begin to explore our personal independence and foundational friendships.

In this conversation, Rose and Kamea wonder if a sleepover is a rite of passage or an early experience that results in deep insecurities.

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The Fantasy

Over the generations slumber party shenanigans have been one of the main spaces where we can see depictions of female friendship and mentorship in film.

Consider this scene in the cult classic Grease:

Or this one from the Princess Diaries:

While these frequently don’t pass the Bechdel test, they do provide space for female characters to speak to each other and try on different social roles. In some cases this can be supportive and lovely, in others we see toxic internalized misogyny or diet culture seep into girls role play.

The fantasy of what occurs at slumber parties extends well beyond the wholesome depiction we were fed as children. To many there is something erotic about catching a young feme in a vulnerable place. Slumber parties provide a situation in which the viewer does a bit of the emotional labor to imagine the girls in isolation. Therefore it continues to frequent the storylines of phonographic material as well as horror and slasher films.

The Slumber Party Massacre mentioned in the episode does in fact pass the Bechdel Test, and even though all the women end up dead, it is considered to be a feminist leaning slasher.

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A Vulnerable Age

The prime slumber party ages are during those ripe stages of puberty when we are starting to explore our independence. Depending on who you are surrounded by you might be peer pressured into activities or even actively hating your body. Consider this scene from Mean Girls:

It is nauseating that the average age of a girl going on a diet is just eight years old. This scans with both of your hosts lived experiences of choosing to diet around the age of 10. Did this sh*t come up at sleep overs? Absolutely.

Trying on the Occult

Bloody mary, bloody mary, bloody…

Light as A feather stiff as a board, ouija boards, and divination games. Slumber parties are a space where young folk test their bravery and power through “games”. Again, the energy of these spaces drastically changes based on your friends and your family’s relationship to spirituality or demonic ideas. When adolescence is raging, these rituals are used as spaces to try on different social roles.

Who is the sceptic and who flickers the lights to make the others scream? Who pulls out the Ouija board?

Tell us about your slumber party memories in the comments! 

If you want to relieve your own climate anxiety or cut costs, managing your food waste can be extremely beneficial.

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Delicious Garbage

Current estimates are that we throw away 1/3 of the food we produce for humans. Most of this is a result of weak links in the food supply chain, but we throw away a lot of food at home too. Some say that folks who eat a plant-heavy diet produce more food waste. However, because producing food for the animals takes more resources (and adds a layer of additional waste) your personal foodprint isn’t so black and white.

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Zooming back out to big business, so much edible food is thrown out for absurd reasons. You can find a lot of perfectly good food, just check out these dumpster finds on Tik Tok. If you are inspired to dumpster dive, know that it is important to be safe. Wear good shoes and be aware of your surroundings. Despite the stigma, dumpster diving is legal in many states—so long as you aren’t trespassing. This my friend is where you run into store staff yelling at you or even law enforcement.

Just look at this stand-off between mutual aid volunteers and the popo as folks tried to rescue hundreds upon hundreds of pounds of food. This was food that had to be thrown out due to a severe winter storm that cut power to many people.

I have always had a hard time wrapping my brain around the cruelness that is embedded in these mass systems. Beyond the mind f*ck of mass food waste and food insecurity coexisting. If the industry was more efficient and motivated by serving people—not profit—we would eliminate an absurd amount of injustice.

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In the show, I do mention the sadness in the waste of life, but don’t share the methodology for the mass culling of livestock that occurred at the start of COVID. This isn’t new, but the scope of what happened was. Large-scale depopulation is a common practice that still occurs during disease breakouts.

Anyway… I will stop being a downer now!

Managing Food Waste at Home

If you have experienced any level of food insecurity at any point in life, chances are that you are at least aware of your food waste. You might even overpack your fridge and need it to feel full for emotional security. Whatever the case may be, managing your fridge inventory is a simple but BIG thing you can do to reduce your food waste.

You can do this by:

1. Establishing a date and rotate system
2. Creating a use-first zone AND putting it in your whole household's brains
3. Developing a deeper understanding of your ingredients

• How to store them
• How to know when it actually goes bad

Spoilage is definitely something to be cautious and aware of, but you might be surprised by how long some things can last. We are so dependent on refrigeration that many of us have forgotten how to store or preserve food. If this is something you’re interested in friend PLEASE buy this book. Then message us so we can be nerds together.

Finally, there is the use everything club. We mention some great tips in the episode, but we also love Mei & Irene of Food Waste Feast! Their content is fantastic, and you can search by ingredient on the Food Waste Feast site.

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Supertasters

This is a real phenomenon in which the taster has a stronger reaction to bitter foods (and sometimes fatty) foods. However some super tasters can have an aversion to overly sweet foods as well because it is an intense sensory experience. To conduct this experiment at home, look for PTC test strips or follow this procedure.

For more on taste check out our episode The Privilege of Taste.

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Tasting and Aging

Most of us know a tiny picky eater. A lot of us can recall a strong food aversion or sensory food experience from our own childhood. These recations can sometimes indicate a sensory sensitivity in young people bot not always. Oftentimes we forget that children have way more tastebuds than adults, so eating can be a wildly stimulating experience! For more on how our tastes evolve as we age, check out this article from the Guardian.

Hierarchy of Taste

When we look at this idea of hierarchy in taste we run into two concepts. The first is the pervasive societal idea of what food should be expensive fine dining and what cultural foods we expect to be affordable take out.

And the second is linked to phycological drivers of human behavior and taste. Contrasting the idea of a hierarchy of basic needs with that which drives our desire and interest in food.

Figure 2. A model of human motivation for eating and for the palatability of foods.

Applying this concept to the real world, we can look at how difficult it is to understand the taste and flavor preferences of food bank users. Reading this paper coming out of the UK, we come to understand that an innate power dynamic between the researcher and those seeking basic needs substances impacts the data. Making it very difficult to understand the flavor preferences of program participants.

The Five Brackets of Taste

Generally speaking our tongues have the ability to distinguish between just 5 different brackets of taste. Bitter, salty, umami, sour and sweet. A really great resource for the creative cook mentioned in the show is the incredible Flavor Bible.

In this conversation, Emily Larson Kubiak takes us on a sensory adventure as we explore our relationship to alcohol and the creativity available to hobby mixologists. Listen now for recipe inspiration and practical tips for making mocktails at home.

Find Emily on IG at Mock_Mix. If you make one of these tasty beverages, let us know at @thymetochatpodcast

Mixing Resources:

Emily had so many resources to share freely, without affiliation, for the hobby mixologists! You can find bitter soda mixes here, the delicious Som vinegar cordal here, and a vast variety of non-boozy beverages for grown-ups here.

And if you need a heart beet of your own, check out Emily's post with ratio estimates here.

Listen for tutorials on mixing a Gin Old Fashioned, Manhattan, and a delicious Negroni.

Rose’s full recipes are just below. Mix it up, and tell us your favorite by tagging Thyme to Chat Podcast on Instagram. 

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Gin Old Fashion

Ingredients:

1 Sugar Cube or ¼-½ tsp of sugar

2 Dash Angostura Bitters

3 Dash Orange Bitter

1.5oz Barrel Aged Gin

Cherry (luxardo, maraschino, amaretto, or any canned cherry)

Orange Peel

Procedure:

-Place your sugar cube into a rocks glass or mason jar, Use your bitters to saturate the top of your sugar.

-Using a muddler or handle of a wooden spoon, crush your sugar cube and lightly mash the sugar into the bitters until incorporated

-Fill glass with ice about ¾ full, then pour your spirit over ice

-Using a bar spoon or soup spoon stir. Remember to keep the back of the spoon gently pressing against the inside of your glass to ensure a smooth swirl.

-Continue to stir until the outside of the glass is opaque and cold to the touch

-Garnish with an orange peel and cherry

Manhattan

Ingredients:

2oz Rye Whiskey

1 oz Sweet Vermouth

3 Dash Orange Bitters

Cherry (luxardo, maraschino, amaretto, or any canned cherry)

Orange Peel

Procedure:

-Using a stir glass, mason jar or pint glass pour your spirit, vermouth and dash your bitters

-Fill glass with ice. About ¾ full

-WIth a bar spoon or soup spoon stir. Stir for about 1 minute or until completely chilled 

Strain and serve up (no ice)

-Garnish with an orange or lemon peel and cherry

Negroni

Ingredients:

1oz Sweet Vermouth

1oz Campari

1oz Gin

Orange Peel

Procedure:

-Using a rocks glass or mason jar add your spirit, vermouth and Campari.

-Top with ice and stir until chilled

-Garnish with orange peel 

Kamea shares some takeaways from her research on the legal history of female bartending, and Rose mixes another zesty cocktail for the table. 

Listen now for more personal stories, history, and tips on making cocktails at home.

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Protection of the Patriarchy 

Reflecting on women’s relationship to bartending we see a continued fight for equal rights. Both for the opportunity to serve, but also to patron public drinking establishments. Turning to Britain we can read up on the “Barmaid Problem” as women attempted to create careers in Victorian hospitality. This attitude of a grave social problem is echoed in the United States and starts to boil over in the 1940s with renewed smear campaigns against female bartenders. 

In 1948, Justice Felix Frankfurter wrote an opinion on behalf of the Supreme Court that affirmed the decision to only allow women to bartend if the establishment was owned by her husband or father. The ruling on Goesaert v. Cleary was to protect women from morally corrupt work environments. This was not overturned until the 1976 case Craig v. Boren. Here young RBG made discrimination on the basis of sex (language used in the passing of title nine just four years prior) a man's problem. For more on his groundbreaking case tune in to this episode of RadioLab. 

She Persisted

Women have been trailblazing behind the bar for years. Some notable names include Ada Coleman, who is most well-known for creating her signature cocktail the Hanky Panky. In 1903, she was the first (and only) woman to be awarded the position of head bartender at The Savoy. She held this position for 23 years. Less well known is  Marcy Skowronski, who made her bar a free the titties zone and was a bartender until she was 92 years old! Today women make up a large percentage of bartenders in the United States but are still navigating social dynamics that impact their work opportunities. 

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Rose's Old Fashion

1 Sugar cube or ¼-½ tsp of sugar

-2 dash angostura bitters

-3 dash orange bitter

-1.5oz barrel aged Gin

-Ice cubes

-Cherry (luxardo, maraschino, amaretto, or any canned cherry)

-Orange Peel

Procedure:

Place your sugar into a rocks glass or mason jar dash angostura and orange bitters on top of your sugar.

Using a muddler or wooden spoon, crush your sugar cube and lightly mash the sugar into the bitters until incorporated.

Pour your Gin into the bottom of your glass and top with ice. About ¾ full.

Using a bar spoon or soup spoon stir. With the confidence of an experienced lover's hand, keep the back of the spoon gently pressed against the inside of your glass to ensure a smooth spin.

Continue to stir until the outside of the glass is foggy and cold to the touch.

Garnish with an orange peel and a cherry.  

Bitters

In mixology, the world of bitters is vast and magical. Prohibition-era cocktails are where we start to see bitters hit the cocktail scene.

In this episode, we chat about what it looks like to bring aphrodisiacs into your kitchen. How do you actually invite pleasure into your cooking?

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 Pasta > Sex?

Rose's favorite pasta recipe. For our experienced pasta mixers see the ratios below. For those who need more guidance on methodology, please connect with your hosts for visual instructions.  

• 2 C Semolina flour
• 1 Tsp Kosher salt
• 2 Large eggs 
• 5-6 Egg yolks 
• 1.5 tsp Olive oil 

For the home cook that wants to make pasta without the labor of making pasta, we encourage you to try your hand at scratch made gnocchi .

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Food and Erotica 

Both ways of experiencing the act of inhabiting a body. To experience them fully we must tune into our senses and learn to have a relationship to our sensations. Isabel Allende illustrates this connection of flesh and food in her book Aphrodite. Lust and gluttony hold a deep history of indulgence and reservation as we seek our own path toward enlightenment. The common thread is of course human desire.

 Get Handsy

The Kamasutra does include instructions for utilizing aphrodisiacs, but it comes with some ground rules. These include using your own common sense and not taking the life of another being. Should we just get in there with our hands? Forks are a relativity new addition to society. 

Zhuzh it up! 

So much of culinary brilliance is taking something simple and adding a little sparkle. Rose offered some great tips on how to zhuzh up a basic store-bought pita and greek style dip for simple whore-d'oeuvres. Check out her video for instructions!

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Ohhh it's not me, it's my social conditioning...

First, we are not sponsored by this product, but just in case you were lost when we made the rainbow poop comment here is the squatty potty.

Looking at media that is readily available to us through algorithms and magazines of our youth, we find roots of unchecked tapes that have played in our heads for years. Insider gave us specific dishes to order, Cosmo helped us "understand" what it means when men order specific foods, and the Guardian offered advice for being successful on a dinner date. And finally, Forbes offers benevolent sexism (in the form of men paying for dates) as a reason for the gender pay gap. 

This is an extensive history of subversive messaging that causes anxiety and social harm across the gender spectrum. 

Cyber Fresh Data 

We are continuously flabbergasted and fascinated by all the ways in which we use data to reach conclusions. Rose had some great tidbits from this study on British dating and food choices. Kamea found a questionable study about what to include on a dating profile to elicit more action as well as odd points about baby saliva. 

Food. It makes or breaks. 

Think about it. We all have non-negotiable food deal breakers. Maybe you can't deal with a taste or a habit. Perhaps you don't share food, or you are hot for a delicate yolk dance. 

Whatever the case may be, we can agree that what we eat is deeply personal and impacted by the relationships in our lives.

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 What is the milkshake? 

Wikipedia says that according to Kelis the milkshake is a metaphor for "something that makes women special." While unclear about what exactly that is, we can all agree it is a euphemism. For those of us who need a little help in this department, we can thank the internet for this recipe for bringing boys to the yard. 

Fuckable...what? 

It is wild how even in casual social situations we manage to sexualize food by making it feminine and consumable. In previous episodes we have talked about how women are depicted as food, but what about when our species just wants to fuck food? Consider this Fox News anchor's breakdown about how the green M&M is suddenly less sexy and no longer a turn-on for him. As promised here is the Skinny Cow logo mentioned in the episode. And just to give you something else that makes you go hmm...we give you sexy fish sticks. Yep. 

Monkeys and Meat 

It's a true story dear listener. They really do this! 

Why do we sexualize breastfeeding? 

The book mentioned here is Inventing Baby Food: Taste, Health, and the Industrialization of the American Diet by Amy Bentley. You can find an excerpt here. To see the Time cover for yourself and learn more about the story behind the image see this article.

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An opportunity for listeners (and now viewers) to get their voice on the show and shed some dirty culinary secrets. Listen now to hear Kamea and Rose spill the tea on their own kitchen shenanigans. To submit a confession of your own, email us at thymetochat [at] gmail, or send a voice memo to Thyme to Chat Podcast on Instagram.

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On the Rag 

Don't you think it is weird that we have so many different ways to say period without saying period? We have a lot of complex emotions around the subject. So many that we now have a blood drop emoji and menstrual equity advocates are thrilled about its potential to aid in conversation. Especially educational ones with youth. 

The history of why menstruation is so taboo is complex and ancient. I mean people who menstruate are portals between the living and the dead. It is a superpower, but we are socially conditioned to keep it a secret. It is hard not to be shocked when we see an athlete openly flowing as they run. Menstrual products have come a long way but the truth is millions of people don't have adequate access and miss school or work opportunities because of it. 

Finally, if you are interested in the concept of misogyny being the law enforcement branch of the patriarchy, check out this interview with the author of Down Girl. 

While we are on the subject: what qualifies as a sandwich? Turns out folks have very strong, and surprising, opinions about what is and isn't a sandwich. 

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Weather Men and Frog Sex

Here is the clip of the SNL skit Wikipedia credits with being the originator of the catchphrase featured in this episode. After the episode, we of course googled frog sex...turns out some do in fact f***.  

Interruptions and Politeness in the Workplace  

This Guardian article offers some insight on Justice Sonia Sotomayor's opinions regarding oral argument rules and the recent revamp. For a great listen on the build-up to this revamp, check out this episode of More Perfect. The truth is though, that many of us face being interrupted in the workplace. We mention our own battles with upspeak in this episode and how we have learned to use it to appear less threatening. 

Tender Traps and the History of Sandwiches 

For a brief overview of the see the history of sandwiches.  Let us not forget though that it was the great invention of sliced bread that gave women the best set of tools for catching boys.

What is a Sandwich? 

Legally speaking there are a few definitions for what is and is not a sandwich. For tax purposes, New York has a very wide and inclusive definition of sandwiches. Would you agree that a burrito is a sandwich? Let us know by connecting with us on Instagram, or sending us an email. 

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Representation of Witches 

Growing up we observed depictions of witches being women outside of the status quo. In fairytales and folklore, they are described as ugly, old, and often living in solitude. Interestingly, our beloved Wizard of Oz had a significant hand in solidifying our imagery for green witches and the classic witch costume. However, the famous MGM version of the story also complicated our imagery when they gave us Glinda the good witch. In her glittering ball gown, she does not call herself a fairy godmother--she is a witch. If you recall, Glinda also asks Dorthy if she had brought her broomstick for easier travel. In the end, Dorthy used her own power to get home but she had to endure a journey before she discovered she held magic within her. 

In our modern lives, folks are increasingly calling themselves a witch and diversifying our understanding of what witches look like. On WitchTok we see increasing representation of non-binary people practicing magic and offering mentorship. Currently the Peabody Essex Museum, in Salam Massachusetts, has an exhibit featuring the work of Frances F. Denny. Her project Major Arcana celebrates the diversity of this traditionally taboo identity in her portraits of witches. 

Kitchen Witches 

It is true, Kitchen Witches were originally charms for the kitchen to ward off unwanted spirits in the heart of the home. For a Halloween-inspired craft, you might consider making your own. 

Baby Soup and Broomsticks

For more on baby soup, you can read this article that explores some of the historical events behind our wild witch stories. As for why witches ride broomsticks...well it could have linkages to an old fertility ritual, but there is strong evidence to suggest that it was so they could go on trips. Other stories that surround Halloween do have roots in the old traditions of Samhain. For an overview of some of those traditions, see this post from our friends at Sea Witch Botanicals. 

Witchhunts 

While we like to think of witchhunts as being a mere relic of the past, it is important to recognize that real people are physically harmed because of accusations of being a witch. For more consider this article in Scientific America or this piece that illustrates witch hunts as a modern global issue.

For those looking for deeper homework, I offer a lecture from Dr. Silvia Federici. In this video, she discusses witch-hunts and their role in the expansion of capitalist accumulation alongside enclosure, enslavement, and land dispossession from women and Indigenous communities. 

Finally, please read Lindy West's book The Witches are Coming. If you consume content best through video, you can hear her read excerpts from this book here. 

TW: toward the end of the episode we briefly mention sexual assault and workplace harassment. Rose does provide a heads up before diving in to provide you an opportunity to tune out if needed. 

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 Julia Child's Wine and Cheese Party 

In this episode of The French Chef, Julia Child offers instructions for a glorious wine and cheese party. If you want to skip her appetizer recipes, and just hear Julia’s wine tasting notes start at 20 minutes. For a quick overview of her career timeline, see this article from the National Women’s History Museum. 

Women Outnumber Men in Culinary School Enrollments

Data suggests that women do in fact outnumber men in culinary school enrollments. These numbers reflect Rose’s own experience in culinary school. Surrounded by women as a student, only to find herself a rarity as a woman leading a kitchen. Our society continues to subscribe to predetermined gender roles and debate who belongs in the kitchen. 

 Celebrity Chefs

A list of the top 20 wealthiest celebrity chefs can be found here. For those interested here is a thoughtful response to “That Times Article”  that celebrated the gods of food. In this episode, we briefly touch on awards for female chefs, but we didn't have time to dig into the meat of the topic. Some argue that a separation of categories for female chefs is actually an oppressive practice.

 History of the Chef's Uniform 

Turns out there are several folk stories surrounding the origin of the chef's hat, also known as a toque. For an overview of some different stories see this article by the Culinary Institute of America. 

In episode 4, Kamea and Rose chat about women's historical relationship to the home kitchen and reflect on their own experiences with domestic life. 

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 On Feminism, Equality and Equity 

It is sweet to think of young Kamea and Rose plotting all the ways in which they might grow up to fu** the patriarchy. At the time they met, equality was the prevailing language used to describe the goal of feminism. However, there is a growing conversation around the need to pursue equity. This is because equity takes into account a persons unique circumstance that may hinder their ability to succeed under equal opportunity. For an overview of this idea see this Forbes article. 

  "First you sink into his arms, then your arms end up in his sink."

Recommended reading is Rosie Boycott's article in the Guardian reflecting on her own relationship to the domestic kitchen and the goal of her magazine Spare Rib. Published in the pre-internet age, when being a typist was a promising career for women, and men didn't have the advice of Reddit users at their finger tips. Thank goodness for progress. 

 Michael Pollan, on Women in the Kitchen 

Pollan is a leading voice in the home cooking as well as the farm to table movement and has been very influential on both Rose and Kamea. However, when it comes to where he places the burden of this work of scratch cooking, he has faced some criticism. For more on this topic, see Sarah Orsborn's piece on food elitism, and gender in the kitchen. 

 Practice Babies and Home Economics

Practice babies were a real thing. For a deeper understanding of home economics listen to this episode of Kamea's favorite podcast, Gastropod. This is not a sponsored link, just quality informative listening that helped inspire our own show! Those interested may also enjoy the images in this Timeline article. 

Eleanor Roosevelt and Whitehouse Food 

For more on the book What She Ate. There is also a prevailing narrative that the modest food at the Whitehouse during her time as First Lady, was due to a sense of duty during the depression. In partnership with the college of home economics, Eleanor sought to model modest living for all Americans. 

 Domestication 

Using Phrase Finder, we found these gems on the subject of a woman's place. Finally, here is here you will find the definition of domestication shared on air. This one includes a link between cooking, home life and she/her pronouns. 

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An introduction to Factory Farming and Industrial Food 

The Meatrix was the internet spoof that initiated curiosity and introduced Kamea to the concept of factory farming. Food Inc, released in 2009 had a profound impact on both hosts as young adults. For a more recent documentary that introduces the concept of factory farming and sustainability checkout Cowspiracy. For a Wikipedia rabbit hole, see this page on Concentrated Animal Feeding Operation.

Sexism and Speciesism

For this topic, we have a few articles that may be of interest to our listeners. The first is a post on Medium written by an activist collective. Here they give a breakdown of how speciesism and the patriarchy is harmful to folks that identify as male. The second article offers an overview of Carol J Adam's first book, The Sexual Politics of Meat. For more on Carol’s work visit her site or follow her on Instagram. 

 Sexualization in Meat Advertizing 

For real examples of women being objectified in meat advertisements see this article.

 Girls on Bread: 

This Friends clip is mentioned in the episode. Little did Joey know women have been using bread to catch boys for decades.  

The Climate Report

For an in-depth look at the IPCC report, visit their website or interactive atlas. For those of our listeners that would prefer to skim some key takeaway points, see this New York Times article. 

 A Field Guide to Climate Anxiety 

You can find more information about Sara Jaquette Ray and her book here. Also recommended is a reflective piece written by the author: Climate Anxiety Is an Overwhelmingly White Phenomenon

 Food Waste and Methane 

For more information about how food waste and how we get to methane check out this informative blog post. 

In this week’s conversation, Rose reveals how she believes it is all linked to the patriarchy and Kamea shares her personal experiences with food shame and comfort foods during the pandemic. Do you have a comfort food story? Send us an Instagram voice memo, or an email at Thyme to Chat at Gmail.

You can find more information about your hosts on our podcast website. Connect with us on Instagram @culinaryherbalisim and @tastysaltyreal.

*This show contains strong language. Listener discretion is advised*

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Comfort Food and Emotional Eating:

Published in the International Journal of Gastronomy and Food Science, Charles Spence offers a literature review on comfort food and its connection to emotional eating. Spence works at Oxford University in the Experimental Phycology department. This resource is a dense academic read and is best enjoyed on a full screen with a cup of tea in hand. 

Diet Culture as a Tool of the Patriarchy: 

This topic is on the docket as a subject for aThyme to Chat episode. For now, please enjoy this article from MS Magazine as an appetizer to the topic. 

 Goop:

We goop on Goop in today’s episode. However, this article on childhood attachment and our relationship to food is intriguing. Just do us a favor and don’t purchase a crystal vagina egg after reading. Yes, they really sell them alongside "smells like my vagina" votives. Yay yoni owner empowerment? 

 Pozole:

Intrigued by Pozole? Mely Martinez, author of Mexico in my Kitchen, has a fantastic recipe. When Kamea made this soup for her neighbor, she made chicken stock separately in an Instapot using chicken feet, bay, black pepper, salt, and a splash of apple cider vinegar. She then substituted the water for the stock and used chicken instead of pork. Otherwise, she followed Mely’s great recipe!

 Tasty Salty Real: 

Outside of this podcast, Kamea writes a newsletter called Tasty Salty Real. Prior to recording this episode, she wrote an article on emotional eating and comfort foods. It can be found here on her Substack page. 

If you are curious about food manufacturing business trends you can check out this article.

You can find more information about us on our podcast website. Connect with us on Instagram @culinaryherbalisim and @tastysaltyreal.

Hosts Rose and Kamea pour some wine to celebrate their launch, share what they learned about the history of TV dinners, and go down several personal tangents.

You can find more information about today's episode on our podcast website. Connect with us on Instagram @culinaryherbalisim and @tastysaltyreal.

 *This show does contain strong language. Listener discretion is advised*

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Show Notes

Freezer Sizes: 

The article mentioned in the show about freezer sizes, was actually about the evolution of refrigerator technology from the 1920s to modern day. Notice how the freezer size spiked in the 60s? We needed the room for TV dinners!   

 Swanson TV Dinner Commercial: 

We were speechless watching this original Swanson TV Dinner commercial. What lucky husbands and relieved wives. 

Vitameatavegamin:

She was quoting this scene from I Love Lucy. I get it it now. 

History of the TV Dinner: 

For our nerds that want to read the full article mentioned in the show. Worth the read, especially if you're interested in the progression of frozen foods as a product.  

Marriage Bar: 

There is so much to learn about women's working rights in the United Sates and beyond. This article provides a good, non-academic, overview on the marriage bars during the depression.