Omar El-Takrori is an entrepreneur, content creator, pastor, speaker, and founder of The Video Department. After years of helping build Think Media and becoming one of the most recognizable voices in the creator education space, Omar stepped out on his own and built a seven-figure business helping creators, entrepreneurs, and business owners grow their brands, communicate more effectively, and turn their expertise into profitable offers.

Omar shares the season that changed the trajectory of his life and business, including the moment he realized he was dramatically undervaluing his gift, the $55,000 investment he made in mentorship, and why learning to charge what he was actually worth changed everything.

Chandler and Omar talk about why so many Christians struggle with money and pricing, why being the cheapest option can actually hurt your business, and why positioning yourself as premium can allow you to serve people at a higher level.

They also unpack Omar’s transition away from Think Media, what it felt like to outgrow a role that had played such an important part in his story, and why sometimes you have to step out before you fully understand what comes next.

The conversation goes deeper into the tension between ministry and marketplace. Omar explains why he believes more people are called to both than they realize, how he uncovered his own voice as a communicator, and why a desire to preach, teach, create, or lead should be cultivated instead of suppressed.

Omar also shares openly about losing his father, the grief that followed, and how that loss affected his marriage, creativity, business, and perspective on success. He talks about the importance of continuing to give even during difficult seasons and why generosity can help pull you out of a place of isolation or apathy.

Throughout the episode, Omar shares practical lessons on business, content, personal branding, communication, relationships, and leadership, including why most social media engagement is silent, why you should launch before everything is perfect, and why the conversations you consistently have can shape the life you eventually build.

If you are an entrepreneur, pastor, creator, ministry leader, or someone trying to figure out how faith, business, money, and calling fit together, this episode is for you.

Topics include:

Omar’s transition from Think Media, building a seven-figure business, charging what you’re worth, premium positioning, mentorship, personal branding, content creation, ministry and marketplace, preaching, leadership, grief, generosity, communication, and what real success looks like.

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Craig Brown started posting Bible videos every day when almost nobody was watching. His early videos received as few as five views. Thirteen months later, he had reached one million followers and built one of the largest Christian audiences on TikTok.

In this episode of The OutStand Podcast, Chandler Boyce sits down with Craig Brown for an honest conversation about digital missions, Christian influence, obedience, discipleship, and the responsibility churches and Christian creators have to reach people online.

Craig Brown is a pastor, traveling preacher, digital missionary, and leader of Logikos Ministries. What began as a simple commitment to help people read and understand the Bible has grown into a global ministry reaching millions of people every month through TikTok, Instagram, YouTube, and other digital platforms.

Craig shares how God challenged him to publish one Bible video every day for an entire year, even if only one person watched. He explains how his early videos struggled to get attention, why he continued posting anyway, and how one simple TikTok about Philippians 4 reached approximately 200,000 people in only a few days.

But this conversation is about far more than followers and views.

Craig tells the story of presenting the gospel during a Good Friday livestream and discovering that 115 people had responded by writing, “That was me.” He also explains how approximately 10,000 people have since completed a follow-up process identifying themselves as making a first-time commitment or recommitment to Jesus through the ministry’s online content.

Chandler and Craig talk openly about what churches and Christian influencers often get wrong about social media. Instead of simply posting announcements, sermon clips, or content designed to grow an audience, Craig challenges Christian leaders to create clear next steps that lead people toward salvation, discipleship, biblical community, and a local church.

They also discuss why 200 views should never be considered a failure, how to handle criticism from Christians and non-Christians, the danger of building influence for personal recognition, and why success means obeying God even when the world thinks you are failing.

Craig also shares the vision behind a new network designed to equip pastors, Christian creators, and digital missionaries to steward their online influence for real ministry.

If you are a pastor, church leader, Christian creator, or believer who wants to use social media to make disciples instead of simply gaining followers, this episode will challenge the way you think about influence.

CONNECT WITH CRAIG BROWN:

Logikos Ministries: https://logikosministries.com/

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@acraigbrown

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/acraigbrown/

TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@acraigbrown

The Theomatic Podcast: https://www.thetheomaticpodcast.com/

Digital Missionary Network: hello@logikosministries.com

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YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ChandlerBoyce

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chandlerboyce/

Website: https://chandlerboyce.com/

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In this episode of The Outstand Podcast, Chandler Boyce sits down with Canadian pastor, author, and church leader Brett Esslinger for an urgent conversation about religious freedom, courageous leadership, Canada’s changing cultural climate, and why the American Church should pay close attention to what is happening north of the border.

Brett Esslinger is the senior pastor of Saints Church, a multisite church serving communities throughout the Edmonton region. He is also an author, leadership coach, former songwriter, church planter, and a trusted voice to pastors across Canada. After nearly two decades in ministry, Brett has experienced church planting, church mergers, organizational challenges, cultural opposition, and the personal cost of building something that lasts.

Chandler and Brett discuss Canada’s Bill C-9, the removal of a longstanding religious-text defense from the country’s hate-propaganda laws, and the concerns many religious leaders have about its potential chilling effect on biblical preaching and religious expression. Brett shares why he felt compelled to speak publicly, even though he never intended to become known as a political pastor.

This conversation is not a call for churches to build their identity around politics, outrage, or constantly fighting culture. Brett explains why pastors must combine courage with wisdom, seek trustworthy legal counsel, understand the laws governing their churches, and boldly preach the full counsel of Scripture without allowing fear to determine what they will or will not say.

They also discuss the danger of building a church around a common enemy. Brett warns that when a church’s entire culture is built around fighting, the people it attracts may eventually turn that same posture toward its leaders. Courageous leadership requires more than reacting to controversy. It requires a deeper foundation of truth, mission, discipleship, service, and genuine community.

Brett shares how Saints Church has built meaningful influence by identifying practical needs and serving its cities exceptionally well. What began with a church-operated bus transporting people to a local food bank eventually grew into a CityServe ministry that has distributed more than $12 million in goods through over 300 community partners throughout the Edmonton region.

Chandler and Brett also explore the unique opportunity churches have to influence their communities by building relationships with local leaders, joining boards and commissions, serving in schools and community organizations, and encouraging Christians to take responsibility for the places where God has positioned them.

The conversation also covers the differences between planting and merging churches, leading in Canada versus the United States, the strengths of pastors serving smaller communities, the realities of Canada’s healthcare system, generosity, church regulation, limiting mindsets, and why changing an existing culture is often harder than building a new one.

Brett closes with a direct challenge to pastors and Christian leaders: You are not where you are by accident. God has placed you in this moment, in your city, and in your nation for a reason. The question is whether you will shrink back in fear or have the courage to faithfully lead, speak, serve, and act.

If you are a pastor, ministry leader, church planter, or Christian concerned about religious freedom, biblical truth, church leadership, and the future of the Church in Canada and the United States, this is a conversation you need to hear.

Connect with Brett and Saints Church: https://www.saintschurch.ca/

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Instagram: @ChandlerDBoyce

YouTube: @ChandlerBoyce

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In this episode of The OutStand Podcast, Chandler Boyce sits down with Geoff Barker for one of the wildest and most unbelievable testimonies ever shared on the podcast. Geoff’s journey took him from serving as a British Royal Marine Commando to becoming an Australian television personality, successful entrepreneur, author, and recognizable media figure. He experienced fame, money, influence, celebrity culture, and nearly everything the world says should make someone happy.

None of it filled the void.

Geoff was a militant atheist who studied Christianity and other religions so he could argue against them. After reaching the heights of success and still feeling empty, Geoff and his wife made a decision that most people would consider unthinkable. They gave away nearly everything they owned, handed their businesses to the people who helped build them, climbed into a van with their young daughter, and began traveling the world in search of the meaning of life.

For seven years, Geoff explored religions, philosophies, spiritual traditions, and alternative worldviews across 33 countries. He studied Buddhism and Taoism, practiced meditation, spent time with gurus, Hare Krishnas, shamans, witches, and spiritual communities, and participated in rituals most people would never attempt.

He was not searching for a religion that made him feel better. He was determined to find the truth or prove that no real answer existed.

After seven years, Geoff was ready to conclude that the atheists were right. Then, during one final 40-day experiment, he decided to give the Christian God an honest opportunity.

What happened next changed everything.

Chandler and Geoff talk openly about the emptiness of fame, why success cannot heal what is broken inside us, what Geoff discovered inside the world’s major religions, the moment his view of Christians began to change, and the encounter with Jesus that transformed what money, achievement, self-help, and spirituality never could.

In this episode, we talk about:

• Geoff’s childhood between a Christian mother and militant atheist father
• Becoming a British Royal Marine Commando and earning the Green Beret
• Beating thousands of competitors to become an Australian Gladiator
• Building successful businesses and working alongside celebrities
• Why fame, money, drugs, parties, and influence never filled the void
• The passage from Ecclesiastes that forced Geoff to reconsider his life
• Giving away nearly everything and leaving in a van with his family
• Spending seven years and traveling through 33 countries in search of truth
• Exploring Buddhism, Taoism, meditation, New Age spirituality, witchcraft, Hare Krishna practices, and other traditions
• What Geoff discovered that many religions have in common
• Why spiritual experiences and meditation still left him empty
• The moment Geoff realized he had judged Christianity without honestly investigating it
• Why he began seeing Christians as seekers instead of hypocrites
• The stranger who stopped him from becoming a renunciate
• Geoff’s final 40-day experiment to find the truth
• The overwhelming encounter that led him to Jesus
• Why the Bible suddenly became different from every other spiritual book he had studied
• How Geoff’s wife encountered Jesus three months later
• Why Christians cannot argue an atheist into following Jesus
• What parents of prodigals need to remember
• Why the modern church can become theatrical without becoming transformational
• What Geoff believes most Christians are afraid to do

Whether you are a Christian, atheist, skeptic, pastor, church leader, parent of a prodigal, or someone searching for the meaning of life, this episode will challenge your assumptions and remind you that no person is beyond the reach of Jesus.

Follow Geoff Barker and learn more about his work:

• Website: https://www.geoffbarker.com/
• The Life Change Experiment: https://www.thelifechangeexperiment.com/
• Hope Is Alive: https://www.hopeisalive.net/

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Jeremiah Hicks is a pastor, preacher, husband, father, speaker, and creator based in Kansas City. Known for his bold online content and street-level conversations with people who often disagree with him, Jeremiah has built a growing platform by addressing the topics many Christians, pastors, and churches are afraid to touch. He is unapologetically Christian, deeply committed to truth, and passionate about reaching people with both conviction and compassion.

Chandler and Jeremiah talk openly about why so many Christians and pastors shy away from difficult topics like abortion, racism, sexuality, politics, and cultural compromise. Jeremiah shares why he believes many churches have stopped fearing God and started fearing comment sections, why silence is not neutral, and why the church must recover the courage to speak truth with grace.

In this episode, we talk about:

• Abortion, racism, and the topics pastors are afraid to touch
• Why Christians can no longer stay silent on cultural issues
• How foster care and childhood pain shaped Jeremiah Hicks’ faith
• Why silence can become compromise
• The difference between winning arguments and winning people
• How to have hard conversations with humility and conviction
• Why many churches fear criticism more than they fear God
• The role of truth, grace, and courage in Christian leadership
• Why racism has no place in the body of Christ
• How pastors should respond to controversial cultural moments
• Why the gospel confronts before it comforts
• What it means to speak truth without being controlled by people’s opinions
• How Christians can engage culture without compromising conviction

Whether you are a pastor, church leader, Christian creator, believer, parent, or someone trying to navigate the tension of faith and culture, this episode will help you think deeply about what it means to follow Jesus with courage, speak truth with love, and refuse to stay silent when the world needs the gospel.

Follow Jeremiah Hicks and learn more about his work:

• Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jeremiah_hicks/
• Website: https://www.jeremiahhicks.org/

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Nick’s story is almost hard to believe. He started using drugs at twelve years old, was selling and running product by high school, and eventually found himself facing an estimated 40 to 60 years in prison. Then one encounter with Jesus changed everything. Nick went from addiction, drug charges, and hopelessness to preaching, pastoring, and planting a church in the same town where he once caused chaos. He even planted that church in the same school he had been kicked out of.

But this conversation is not just about Nick’s redemption story. It is about calling, obedience, small-town church planting, leadership, rest, pastoral health, and what it really takes to finish well. Nick shares how God opened impossible doors in his life, how he and his wife planted Propel Church in their early twenties, why small towns still matter deeply to the mission of God, and why pastors must stop making sacrifices God never asked them to make.

This episode also gets honest about the pressure leaders carry, the lie that “it’s lonely at the top,” the difference between spiritual fathers and mentors, and why learning to pause might be one of the most spiritual things a pastor can do.

If you are a pastor, church planter, ministry leader, Christian entrepreneur, or someone who needs to be reminded that God can redeem any story and still use your life with purpose, this episode will challenge you, encourage you, and call you back to a healthier way of leading.

Because God does not just call leaders to start well. He calls them to finish well.

Content note: This episode includes discussion of drug addiction, legal trouble, ministry burnout, and suicide.

Topics covered in this episode:

Nick Newman’s story of addiction, drug dealing, and encountering Jesus

Facing an estimated 40 to 60 years in prison and watching God change the outcome

What happened the night Nick gave his life to Jesus and immediately led his first Bible study

How God opened doors that Nick never could have opened on his own

Planting a church at 22 years old with his wife

Why Nick planted Propel Church in the same town where he once caused chaos

The beauty and challenge of small-town church planting

Why population size does not determine ministry impact

How Propel Church has seen more than 1,200 decisions and over 400 baptisms

Why copying big-city church strategies does not always work in rural communities

What pastors misunderstand about calling, sacrifice, and obedience

How God uses what is already in your hands to fund what He put in your heart

Building God’s house without neglecting your own

Why rest is essential for longevity in leadership

The story behind Selah Leaders and why Nick started serving pastors through getaways

How leaders can avoid burnout and build sustainable rhythms

Why “it’s lonely at the top” is one of the biggest lies leaders believe

The difference between spiritual fathers and mentors

Why every mentor Nick has had is someone he intentionally pursued

What pastors need to hear if they feel like they cannot afford to pause

One idea every pastor, church leader, and Christian entrepreneur needs to consider

Connect with Nick Newman

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/psnicknewman/

Website: https://nicknewman.com/

Books by Nick Newman: https://www.amazon.com/stores/Nick-Newman/author/B0829DH64M?ref=ap_rdr&shoppingPortalEnabled=true&ccs_id=463651ff-e9ef-44d8-b72f-6dfa7888793f

Selah Leaders: https://selahleaders.com/

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Tim Alcorn is the founder of Social Ground Foundation, a marketing and media agency built to help mission-driven organizations, nonprofits, churches, and schools grow their visibility and move their mission forward. But before building his agency, Tim spent years serving in church ministry, from running sound as a kid to leading youth, worship, creative, and pastoral ministry roles.

This conversation unpacks what happens when your ministry role ends, but your calling does not.

Chandler and Tim talk openly about the emotional weight of leaving church staff, the identity crisis that can follow ministry transitions, and why so many pastors, church staff members, and ministry leaders struggle when a season comes to an end. They also discuss the difference between being released and being blessed, how to leave a church well, and why the way leaders handle staff transitions matters more than many realize.

Tim shares what he wishes he had done differently during his ministry transitions, including the importance of communicating early, seeking wise counsel, honoring leadership, and refusing to slander the church or its leaders on the way out. Chandler and Tim also talk about forgiveness, reconciliation, and why church hurt should not become a reason to disconnect from the body of Christ.

This episode also explores the tension between ministry and the marketplace. Tim shares how God used entrepreneurship, family, and mission-driven marketing to help him rediscover purpose after leaving full-time paid ministry. Together, Chandler and Tim challenge the idea that calling must always come with a paycheck and remind listeners that ministry can happen in the church, in business, in your family, and wherever God has placed you.

If you have ever served on church staff, experienced church hurt, walked through a painful transition, questioned your calling, or wondered who you are after ministry changes, this conversation will encourage you, challenge you, and help you process what it looks like to heal, forgive, rebuild, and keep following God.

In this episode, we talk about:

• Church hurt and how to process it in a healthy way
• What happens when a church staff role ends
• Finding purpose after leaving full-time ministry
• The identity crisis many pastors and ministry leaders experience
• How to leave a church or staff position well
• Why communication with leadership matters during transition
• The difference between being released and being blessed
• Why your calling is bigger than your paycheck
• How ministry and entrepreneurship can work together
• The importance of family, humility, forgiveness, and reconciliation

Whether you are a pastor, church staff member, ministry leader, Christian entrepreneur, or someone walking through a difficult church transition, this episode will help you remember that your role can change without your calling disappearing.

Follow Tim Alcorn and learn more about his work:

Social Ground Foundation: https://www.socialgroundfoundation.org/

Follow Tim on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/timothyalcorn/

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In this episode of The Outstand Podcast, Chandler Boyce sits down with Mark LeBrun, founder of Digital Influencer Co. and Hood Proverbs, pastor, and one of the most compelling voices in faith-driven digital media today.

Mark shares the story of growing up surrounded by gang influence and drug culture, encountering Christ coming out of high school, and eventually building a digital platform that reaches hundreds of thousands of people across YouTube, social media, and beyond. This conversation gets honest about the courage it takes to do ministry differently, why Mark believes it might genuinely be a sin for a pastor to not have an online presence, what the church is missing when it comes to social media, and what he has been quietly building with Hood Proverbs that he has not shared publicly until now.

If you are a pastor, church leader, Christian entrepreneur, or someone trying to figure out how faith and digital culture actually fit together, this episode will challenge you, stir you, and probably make you want to go post something.

Because the gospel belongs in every sector of society. Including the ones the church has been too afraid to enter.

Topics covered in this episode:

• Growing up in the hood and coming to faith out of drug culture and street life
• What it means to do ministry in contexts the church is not reaching
• The origin and vision behind Hood Proverbs and why Mark held back for years
• How a discipleship conversation at a coffee shop during COVID launched a digital business
• Growing from zero to 100,000 TikTok subscribers in four months
• Why Mark shifted his primary platform to YouTube and what he focuses on now
• What churches and pastors are getting wrong about social media in 2026
• The difference between posting to announce and posting to actually serve people
• Why Christian entrepreneurs are afraid to share their wins and why they should
• The intersection of faith, business, and ministry and how to hold all three
• Self-leadership rhythms for leaders whose lives are full and seasons are shifting
• The lasting impact of a father's example and what gets passed down without words
• What it looks like to bring gospel influence into every sector of society
• Why LinkedIn is underrated for faith-based business owners
• One idea Mark says every person in this audience needs to hear

Connect with Mark LeBrun

• Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/itsmarklebrun/
• YouTube: https://youtube.com/@marklebrun
• Digital Influencer Co. helps businesses, personal brands, and nonprofits scale their online presence through social media strategy, content marketing, and audience growth: https://www.digitalinfluencersco.com/
• Vantage Point Agency is a full-service marketing agency offering social media management, paid ads, SEO, web design, and CMO-level strategy for service-based businesses: https://vantagepointagency.co/

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In this episode of The Outstand Podcast, Chandler Boyce sits down with Evan Doyle, a former pastor who spent 18 years in ministry before transitioning into a new season of life, work, coaching, content, and leadership.

Evan shares the story of planting a church in California, returning home, serving on staff for years, navigating church culture, and eventually stepping away from full-time ministry. This conversation gets honest about burnout, identity, family, values, vocational transition, and the complicated emotions that come when your role, church, relationships, and calling are all deeply connected.

If you are a pastor, church leader, former ministry staff member, or someone walking through a major life transition, this episode will help you process the in-between with honesty, hope, and clarity.

Because leaving a role does not mean your calling is over. Sometimes, it means a new version of your calling is just beginning.

Connect with Evan Doyle

• Instagram @theevandoyle
• Youtube
• The in Between Podcast - Whether you’re facing a personal, professional, or spiritual disruption, these conversations are here to help guide you through the questions, uncertainties, and opportunities that come with change.

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The Marketing Co-op helps churches and faith-based nonprofits create and implement custom digital marketing strategies to reach more people, expand the mission, and build the church.

From digital marketing consulting to SEO, AI strategy, Google Ads, Meta Ads, and content strategy, The Marketing Co-op partners with churches and ministries to help them grow their reach, strengthen their online presence, and connect with the people they are called to serve.

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For many believers, money is one of the most stressful areas of life. Some avoid it because they do not want to idolize it. Some feel shame because of debt or poor financial decisions. Others have been taught a lot about giving and tithing, but very little about stewardship, investing, financial management, and building margin.

Andrew shares his personal journey of realizing that even though he was doing what he thought were the “right” things, tithing, working hard, and providing for his family, his financial life was still full of chaos. That realization led him to confront his beliefs, habits, and behaviors around money and begin building a biblical framework for financial order.

Chandler and Andrew talk about why ignoring money does not make someone more spiritual, how financial stress can quietly run your life, and why stewardship is about more than just giving. They also unpack the tension many Christians feel around debt, budgeting, Dave Ramsey, prosperity teaching, generosity, wealth building, and what it actually means to honor God with the money He has entrusted to you.

This episode is for pastors, Christian business owners, ministry leaders, families, and believers who want to move from financial stress and shame into clarity, order, and faithful stewardship.

In this episode, you’ll hear:

• Why money is such a polarizing topic in the Church
• How financial avoidance can create more stress and chaos
• Why stewardship is bigger than tithing
• The difference between consumer debt and owner-minded debt
• What Andrew appreciates about Dave Ramsey and where he sees things differently
• Why pastors should teach more about stewardship, not just giving
• How shame keeps people silent about financial struggles
• Why Christians should learn how to manage, multiply, and steward money well
• How to begin creating financial order even if you feel behind
• Why building margin can lead to greater generosity

Andrew also shares who Financial Order Academy is designed to help, especially six-figure earners who are making good money but know their finances are not operating at full capacity. His goal is to help people bring order to their money so they can honor God, create margin, build wisely, and live with greater intentionality.

Connect with Andrew Giorgi:

• Financial Order Academy: https://financialorderacademy.com/
• Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/andrew.giorgi/

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Landon shares what it was like growing up in a ministry family, how criticism and pressure shape leaders, why men need real discipleship, and what prison ministry has taught him about grace, justice, repentance, and the gospel.

This episode is for pastors, ministry leaders, men, pastor’s kids, church members, and anyone wrestling with calling, criticism, spiritual growth, or how far grace really goes.

In This Episode

• The biggest myth about being a pastor’s kid
• The pressure ministry families carry
• How church hurt can shape your view of faith
• Why people criticize megachurches
• What it means to serve before you lead
• How criticism exposes insecurity in leaders
• Why men need real spiritual growth and discipleship
• The danger of isolation in leadership and life
• What prison ministry teaches us about grace
• How far the gospel reaches
• Why faithfulness matters more than platform

Connect with Landon:

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/landonjsherman/

Watch Gaining Ground: https://www.youtube.com/@GainingGroundMen

Learn more about God Behind Bars: https://www.godbehindbars.com/

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This episode is sponsored by The Marketing Co-op.

The Marketing Co-op helps churches and faith-based nonprofits create and implement custom digital marketing strategies to reach more people, expand the mission, and build the church.

From digital marketing consulting to SEO, AI strategy, Google Ads, Meta Ads, and content strategy, The Marketing Co-op partners with churches and ministries to help them grow their reach, strengthen their online presence, and connect with the people they are called to serve.

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Mark shares his personal journey through ministry success, anxiety, identity crisis, walking away from ministry, rebuilding his family, planting a new church, and learning how God uses both the church and the marketplace to shape legacy.

This episode is for pastors, church leaders, Christian entrepreneurs, and faith-driven leaders who feel the pressure to perform, succeed, provide, and stay faithful while carrying the weight of calling.

Chandler and Mark talk about what happens when ministry becomes your identity, why success alone will never satisfy, how leaders can navigate burnout and anxiety, and why pastors and Christian leaders need a healthier theology of wealth, business, and legacy.

You’ll also hear Mark’s perspective on marketplace ministry, digital products, Christian entrepreneurship, family priorities, and what it looks like to build something meaningful without losing yourself in the process.

If you’ve ever wrestled with ministry burnout, leadership pressure, identity, calling, money, or the tension between faith and business, this conversation will challenge and encourage you.

In This Episode

• Why identity cannot be built on ministry success
• The hidden pressure pastors and Christian leaders carry
• Mark’s journey through anxiety, transition, and rebuilding
• What it looks like to walk away and start again
• How to balance family, ministry, business, and calling
• Why Christian leaders need a better theology of wealth
• The connection between ministry and marketplace
• How to redefine success and build lasting legacy

Connect with Mark Casto

Website: markcasto.co

Instagram: instagram.com/markcasto_

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The Outstand Podcast features real conversations with pastors, entrepreneurs, and leaders who refuse to blend in. Each episode pulls back the curtain on the pressure, pain, growth, faith, and discipline it takes to build something meaningful and become the kind of person who outstands the rest.

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This episode is sponsored by The Marketing Co-op.

The Marketing Co-op helps churches and faith-based nonprofits create and implement custom digital marketing strategies to reach more people, expand the mission, and build the church.

From digital marketing consulting to SEO, AI strategy, Google Ads, Meta Ads, and content strategy, The Marketing Co-op partners with churches and ministries to help them grow their reach, strengthen their online presence, and connect with the people they are called to serve.

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In this episode of The Outstand Podcast, Chandler Boyce sits down with Mitch Sugg for a raw, honest, and deeply encouraging conversation about what happens when life does not go the way you thought it would.

Mitch shares the story of planting a church in 2019, launching with momentum, and then watching everything change during COVID. What started as a season of vision and calling quickly became one of the most painful chapters of his life. He walks through the reality of shutting down a church, navigating divorce, losing financial stability, delivering packages to survive, and wrestling with shame, identity, and whether he had missed God.

But this conversation is not just about what fell apart. It is about what God rebuilt.

Mitch opens up about the difference between finding your identity in your calling and knowing who you are before you ever step into a role, platform, or title. He shares how being a father helped him keep going, why having people who simply listened became part of his healing process, and how the hardest season of his life gave him a deeper perspective on leadership, humility, purpose, and grace.

This episode is for pastors, ministry leaders, church planters, Christian entrepreneurs, and anyone who has ever had to start over after disappointment, failure, loss, or unexpected pain. If you have ever questioned your calling, felt buried by shame, or wondered if God could still use your story, Mitch’s journey will remind you that your life is not over just because one season fell apart.

In This Episode

Chandler and Mitch talk about:

• What no one tells you about the painful side of church planting
• Launching a church right before COVID changed everything
• Walking through divorce, financial pressure, and ministry loss
• Going from preaching on stage to delivering packages
• How shame affects pastors, leaders, and men in silence
• Why listening can be one of the most powerful tools for healing
• The importance of having safe people who let you process honestly
• How to rebuild your identity when your title is gone
• Why divorce does not mean someone has no value in the Kingdom
• What senior pastors should consider when restoring and hiring leaders
• How Mitch now helps leaders and organizations grow through communication, self-awareness, and purpose

Key Takeaway

Before you operate out of your calling, you have to know your identity.

Mitch shares how he had to come back to the truth that his value was not found in being a pastor, church planter, speaker, leader, or communicator. His foundation had to become much deeper: knowing he was made in the image of God and loved as a son.

About Mitch Sugg

Mitch Sugg is a pastor, speaker, leadership coach, and certified 5 Voices practitioner who helps leaders, churches, teams, and organizations grow in communication, self-awareness, and purpose.

Through his own story of loss, rebuilding, and rediscovering identity, Mitch now helps others understand who they are, lead with health, and unlock the purpose God has placed inside them.

Connect with Mitch Sugg

Website: https://www.mitchsugg.com/

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mitch-sugg-/

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Clinton brings over 18 years of worship leadership experience, serving in diverse church environments ranging from single-site churches to multisite organizations, small group settings to arenas, and songwriting and recording with River Valley Worship and other artists.

Together, Chandler and Clinton unpack what it really takes to build a worship culture that is healthy, authentic, and sustainable. They talk about the tension between excellence and performance, the danger of copying mega churches, the importance of developing worshipers before platforming leaders, and why unity matters more than talent.

This episode is especially helpful for worship pastors, worship leaders, creative directors, pastors, musicians, production teams, and church leaders who want to build stronger teams, healthier culture, and more confident worship environments.

You’ll hear practical insight on how to develop worship leaders, avoid burnout, build unity between worship and production teams, raise up volunteers, handle the tension between paid musicians and serving the house, and create worship experiences that point people to God without depending on production to carry what only the Holy Spirit can carry.

If you are trying to build a healthier worship team, strengthen your creative ministry, or lead worship with more authenticity and confidence, this conversation will encourage and challenge you.

Connect with Clinton Allen

Clinton helps churches, pastors, worship leaders, and creative teams build their best worship and leadership culture.

If you feel like you lack the resources, time, development, or support needed to build healthy teams and healthy culture, Clinton can help you find clarity, strengthen your team, and close the gap between where your ministry is and where you believe it can go.

Website: https://www.creative-curating.com/

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/clinton_allen/

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Brennan is also the founder of All In Co., a social media and content company helping churches grow their online presence. What makes Brennan stand out is simple. He doesn’t just learn, he executes.

In this conversation, they break down how church leaders can grow faster by surrounding themselves with the right people, taking action on what they learn, and staying focused on what they’re actually called to build.

They also dive into digital ministry, social media strategy, and how content is no longer optional for churches that want to reach people and create real impact.

🔥 What You’ll Learn

• Why most church planters stay stuck
• The difference between learning and executing
• How to surround yourself with the right people
• What churches are getting wrong about social media
• How digital content leads to real-life impact
• The habits and disciplines that create momentum
• Why staying focused on your role matters

👥 Who This Episode Is For

Pastors, church planters, and leaders who want to grow, reach more people, and build something meaningful without getting distracted or stuck.

If you’re trying to figure out how to lead well, stay focused, and build momentum in today’s digital world, this episode is for you.

🔗 Connect with Brennan Washington

City Light Church (Bowling Green, KY)

https://citylightky.com/

All In Co.

https://www.allinco.studio/

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From TikTok to YouTube, DK shares why pastors and church leaders must stop treating social media as optional and start seeing it as a modern-day mission field. If your church isn’t showing up online, you’re missing one of the greatest opportunities to reach people where they already are.

This conversation goes beyond strategy. It dives into the real challenges leaders face like insecurity, inconsistency, and the pressure to perform, while also addressing the growing loneliness epidemic and how digital platforms can either isolate people or lead them into real community and discipleship.

If you’re a pastor, church leader, or Christian content creator, this episode will challenge you to step up, stay consistent, and use your voice to reach more people with purpose.

What You’ll Learn

• Why TikTok, YouTube, and Instagram are the new mission field
• How pastors can grow their church online through content
• The biggest mistake churches are making with social media
• How to overcome insecurity and imposter syndrome
• Why consistency matters more than perfection
• How to turn sermons into engaging digital content
• The connection between online content and real-life discipleship

Key Takeaway

Digital platforms can create connection, but they can’t replace it. The Church has a unique opportunity to bridge the gap between online engagement and real-life community by showing up with truth, authenticity, and consistency.

Connect with DK Hammond

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@dkhammondspodcast

Website: https://www.dkconsults.org/

About The Outstand Podcast

The Outstand Podcast features conversations with pastors, leaders, and entrepreneurs who are choosing to stand out in their calling, leadership, and impact. These are real, unfiltered discussions about growth, faith, leadership, and the journey behind success.

Having worked closely with leaders like Craig Groeschel (Life.Church) and Carey Nieuwhof, Dillon brings a rare behind-the-scenes perspective on what’s actually working, what’s fading, and where churches need to pivot.

They break down why sermon clips are declining in effectiveness, how Life.Church approaches Meta ads and lead generation, and why most churches are investing time and money into the wrong strategies when it comes to social media and content.

This conversation dives into YouTube vs Meta (Facebook & Instagram), the real ROI of podcasts for pastors, and how to build a content strategy that actually reaches people and drives impact.

You’ll also hear practical insights on lead magnets, content quality, and why human connection is becoming the most valuable asset in ministry as AI continues to rise.

If you’re a pastor, church leader, or Christian entrepreneur trying to grow your reach and influence, this episode will challenge your thinking and give you clear next steps.

What You’ll Learn

• Why sermon clip strategies are declining
• How Life.Church actually runs ads
• YouTube vs Meta: where to focus in 2026
• The real purpose of a podcast for pastors
• How to use lead magnets to reach more people
• The biggest mistakes churches are making right now
• What’s next with AI and church leadership

Who This Episode Is For

Pastors, church leaders, and Christian business owners who want to grow, reach more people, and build something meaningful without wasting time on strategies that don’t work anymore.

If you follow voices like Craig Groeschel, Carey Nieuwhof, Andy Stanley, or are trying to figure out modern church marketing, this is for you.

Connect with Dillon Smith

Website: https://cmo.church/

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@Dillon-Smith-CMO.Church

If you are someone whose target audience is pastors and churches, whether you sell services, software, products, or resources, you need to be paying attention to what Dillon is doing.

He has worked with some of the most influential leaders in the church space and understands how to actually reach and connect with pastors at scale.

Go check out his website, follow him on YouTube, and stay connected with his content across all platforms.

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The Outstand Podcast is built around real conversations with leaders who refuse to blend in. It’s about faith, leadership, growth, and the decisions it takes to stand out in a world that rewards conformity.

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