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        <title>The Basic Income Podcast</title>
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        <copyright>© 2018 The Basic Income Podcast</copyright>
        <itunes:subtitle>Interviews with leading figures in the Basic Income movement.</itunes:subtitle>
        <itunes:author>Owen Poindexter, Jim Pugh</itunes:author>
        <itunes:summary>A podcast exploring the politics, implications and challenges of the basic income--a policy in which every citizen would receive a monthly check to cover basic expenses.</itunes:summary>
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        <description><![CDATA[A podcast exploring the politics, implications and challenges of the basic income--a policy in which every citizen would receive a monthly check to cover basic expenses.]]></description>
        
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            <itunes:name>Owen Poindexter, Jim Pugh</itunes:name>
            <itunes:email>owenpoindexter@gmail.com</itunes:email>
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                <itunes:title>Basic Income and the Disabled Community, feat. Annie Harper (rebroadcast)</itunes:title>
                <title>Basic Income and the Disabled Community, feat. Annie Harper (rebroadcast)</title>

                
                
                <itunes:author>Owen Poindexter, Jim Pugh</itunes:author>
                <itunes:subtitle>How would a basic income impact the disabled community? We delved into this question with social anthropologist Annie Harper of the Program for Recovery and Community Health, Yale School of Medicine. Harper, who works with mentally disabled people, descr</itunes:subtitle>
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&lt;p&gt;How would a basic income impact the disabled community? We delved into this question with social anthropologist Annie Harper of the Program for Recovery and Community Health, Yale School of Medicine. Harper, who works with mentally disabled people, describes the hopes and concerns a basic income offers. This episode was originally broadcast in November 2017.&lt;/p&gt;
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                <description><![CDATA[How would a basic income impact the disabled community? We delved into this question with social anthropologist Annie Harper of the Program for Recovery and Community Health, Yale School of Medicine. Harper, who works with mentally disabled people, describes the hopes and concerns a basic income offers. This episode was originally broadcast in November 2017.]]></description>
                <content:encoded>How would a basic income impact the disabled community? We delved into this question with social anthropologist Annie Harper of the Program for Recovery and Community Health, Yale School of Medicine. Harper, who works with mentally disabled people, describes the hopes and concerns a basic income offers. This episode was originally broadcast in November 2017.</content:encoded>
                
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                <pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2019 23:18:56 &#43;0000</pubDate>
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                <itunes:title>How Much Basic Income Would Really Cost, featuring Karl Widerquist (rebroadcast)</itunes:title>
                <title>How Much Basic Income Would Really Cost, featuring Karl Widerquist (rebroadcast)</title>

                
                
                <itunes:author>Owen Poindexter, Jim Pugh</itunes:author>
                <itunes:subtitle>How much would a basic income in the United States actually cost? What are the most common mistakes people make when calculating a basic income? To answer these questions, we spoke with Karl Widerquist, who has been studying and writing about basic incom</itunes:subtitle>
                <itunes:summary>&lt;p&gt;How much would a basic income in the United States actually cost? What are the most common mistakes people make when calculating a basic income? To answer these questions, we spoke with Karl Widerquist, who has been studying and writing about basic income for three decades. Widerquist recently published a “back of the envelope” calculation on basic income which produced some surprising results. This episode was originally broadcast in September 2017.&lt;/p&gt;
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                <description><![CDATA[How much would a basic income in the United States actually cost? What are the most common mistakes people make when calculating a basic income? To answer these questions, we spoke with Karl Widerquist, who has been studying and writing about basic income for three decades. Widerquist recently published a “back of the envelope” calculation on basic income which produced some surprising results. This episode was originally broadcast in September 2017. ]]></description>
                <content:encoded>How much would a basic income in the United States actually cost? What are the most common mistakes people make when calculating a basic income? To answer these questions, we spoke with Karl Widerquist, who has been studying and writing about basic income for three decades. Widerquist recently published a “back of the envelope” calculation on basic income which produced some surprising results. This episode was originally broadcast in September 2017. </content:encoded>
                
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                <pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2019 01:19:00 &#43;0000</pubDate>
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                <itunes:title>Basic Income and Peace of Mind (Rebroadcast)</itunes:title>
                <title>Basic Income and Peace of Mind (Rebroadcast)</title>

                
                
                <itunes:author>Owen Poindexter, Jim Pugh</itunes:author>
                <itunes:subtitle>We often talk about what effect a universal basic income would have on financial stability, but what about our mental state? Jim and Owen delve into the research around poverty and cognition, and explore the differences between an abundance mindset and a</itunes:subtitle>
                <itunes:summary>&lt;p&gt;We often talk about what effect a universal basic income would have on financial stability, but what about our mental state? Jim and Owen delve into the research around poverty and cognition, and explore the differences between an abundance mindset and a scarcity mindset. This episode was originally broadcast in June, 2017.&lt;/p&gt;
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                <description><![CDATA[We often talk about what effect a universal basic income would have on financial stability, but what about our mental state? Jim and Owen delve into the research around poverty and cognition, and explore the differences between an abundance mindset and a scarcity mindset. This episode was originally broadcast in June, 2017.]]></description>
                <content:encoded>We often talk about what effect a universal basic income would have on financial stability, but what about our mental state? Jim and Owen delve into the research around poverty and cognition, and explore the differences between an abundance mindset and a scarcity mindset. This episode was originally broadcast in June, 2017.</content:encoded>
                
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                <pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2019 18:37:22 &#43;0000</pubDate>
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                <itunes:title>Universal Basic Assets, featuring Marina Gorbis (Rebroadcast)</itunes:title>
                <title>Universal Basic Assets, featuring Marina Gorbis (Rebroadcast)</title>

                
                
                <itunes:author>Owen Poindexter, Jim Pugh</itunes:author>
                <itunes:subtitle>When considering the impact of basic income, we usually think of it as a standalone policy — but there’s nothing stopping us from imagining UBI as one piece of a larger policy framework. In this episode, Marina Gorbis, Executive Director of Institute for</itunes:subtitle>
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&lt;p&gt;When considering the impact of basic income, we usually think of it as a standalone policy — but there’s nothing stopping us from imagining UBI as one piece of a larger policy framework. In this episode, Marina Gorbis, Executive Director of Institute for the Future, shares her perspective on a comprehensive framework for the future: Universal Basic Assets. This episode was originally broadcast in July, 2017.&lt;/p&gt;
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                <description><![CDATA[When considering the impact of basic income, we usually think of it as a standalone policy — but there’s nothing stopping us from imagining UBI as one piece of a larger policy framework. In this episode, Marina Gorbis, Executive Director of Institute for the Future, shares her perspective on a comprehensive framework for the future: Universal Basic Assets. This episode was originally broadcast in July, 2017.]]></description>
                <content:encoded>When considering the impact of basic income, we usually think of it as a standalone policy — but there’s nothing stopping us from imagining UBI as one piece of a larger policy framework. In this episode, Marina Gorbis, Executive Director of Institute for the Future, shares her perspective on a comprehensive framework for the future: Universal Basic Assets. This episode was originally broadcast in July, 2017.</content:encoded>
                
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                <pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2018 18:11:59 &#43;0000</pubDate>
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                <itunes:title>Rep. Chris Lee on Basic Income Legislation in Hawaii (Rebroadcast)</itunes:title>
                <title>Rep. Chris Lee on Basic Income Legislation in Hawaii (Rebroadcast)</title>

                
                
                <itunes:author>Owen Poindexter, Jim Pugh</itunes:author>
                <itunes:subtitle>In 2017, Hawaii became the first state to pass legislation on universal basic income, declaring that everyone in the state deserves basic financial security. The bill’s author, Representative Chris Lee, joined the Basic Income Podcast to discuss the legi</itunes:subtitle>
                <itunes:summary>&lt;p&gt;In 2017, Hawaii became the first state to pass legislation on universal basic income, declaring that everyone in the state deserves basic financial security. The bill’s author, Representative Chris Lee, joined the Basic Income Podcast to discuss the legislation and his views on basic income. This is a rebroadcast of an episode that aired in June 2017.&lt;/p&gt;
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                <description><![CDATA[In 2017, Hawaii became the first state to pass legislation on universal basic income, declaring that everyone in the state deserves basic financial security. The bill’s author, Representative Chris Lee, joined the Basic Income Podcast to discuss the legislation and his views on basic income. This is a rebroadcast of an episode that aired in June 2017.]]></description>
                <content:encoded>In 2017, Hawaii became the first state to pass legislation on universal basic income, declaring that everyone in the state deserves basic financial security. The bill’s author, Representative Chris Lee, joined the Basic Income Podcast to discuss the legislation and his views on basic income. This is a rebroadcast of an episode that aired in June 2017.</content:encoded>
                
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                <pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2018 23:13:19 &#43;0000</pubDate>
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                <itunes:title>Remembering Gerald Huff, feat. Jane Huff and Scott Santens</itunes:title>
                <title>Remembering Gerald Huff, feat. Jane Huff and Scott Santens</title>

                
                
                <itunes:author>Owen Poindexter, Jim Pugh</itunes:author>
                <itunes:subtitle>Recently, we lost a basic income champion: Gerald Huff. Huff was a technologist, entrepreneur and, at the end of his life, author of Crisis 2038, a sci-fi novel that has basic income as a central plot element. Huff died of pancreatic cancer on November 1</itunes:subtitle>
                <itunes:summary>&lt;p&gt;Recently, we lost a basic income champion: Gerald Huff. Huff was a technologist, entrepreneur, and, at the end of his life, author of Crisis: 2038, a sci-fi novel that has basic income as a central plot element. Huff died of pancreatic cancer on November 17th. His daughter, Jane Huff, and basic income advocate Scott Santens joined the podcast to remember Gerald and discuss his novel and basic income advocacy.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Crisis: 2038 is available now as an ebook on Amazon, and the paperback version is available for preorder.&lt;/p&gt;
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                <description><![CDATA[Recently, we lost a basic income champion: Gerald Huff. Huff was a technologist, entrepreneur and, at the end of his life, author of Crisis 2038, a sci-fi novel that has basic income as a central plot element. Huff died of pancreatic cancer on November 17th. His daughter, Jane Huff, and basic income advocate Scott Santens joined the podcast to remember Gerald and discuss his novel and basic income advocacy. 

Crisis 2038 is available now as an ebook on Amazon, and the paperback version is available for preorder. ]]></description>
                <content:encoded>Recently, we lost a basic income champion: Gerald Huff. Huff was a technologist, entrepreneur and, at the end of his life, author of Crisis 2038, a sci-fi novel that has basic income as a central plot element. Huff died of pancreatic cancer on November 17th. His daughter, Jane Huff, and basic income advocate Scott Santens joined the podcast to remember Gerald and discuss his novel and basic income advocacy. 

Crisis 2038 is available now as an ebook on Amazon, and the paperback version is available for preorder. </content:encoded>
                
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                <pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2018 22:01:13 &#43;0000</pubDate>
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                <itunes:title>A Toolkit for Cities Interested in Basic Income, feat. Catherine Thomas</itunes:title>
                <title>A Toolkit for Cities Interested in Basic Income, feat. Catherine Thomas</title>

                
                
                <itunes:author>Owen Poindexter, Jim Pugh</itunes:author>
                <itunes:subtitle>Much of the momentum around basic income is at the municipal level: Stocktons trial will start soon, Chicago is creating a basic income task force, and a handful of other American cities are exploring basic income or other cash transfer programs. For man</itunes:subtitle>
                <itunes:summary>&lt;p&gt;Much of the momentum around basic income is at the municipal level: Stockton’s trial will start soon, Chicago is creating a basic income task force, and a handful of other American cities are exploring basic income or other cash transfer programs. For many mayors and city council members, basic income is an unfamiliar concept. That’s why the Stanford Basic Income Lab created a toolkit for cities interested in basic income. This guide covers everything from past basic income research to managing expectations and media narratives. Catherine Thomas, a PhD Candidate in the Stanford Psychology Department and Graduate Fellow in the Stanford Basic Income Lab joined the podcast to discuss this exciting new resource.&lt;/p&gt;
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                <description><![CDATA[Much of the momentum around basic income is at the municipal level: Stockton&#39;s trial will start soon, Chicago is creating a basic income task force, and a handful of other American cities are exploring basic income or other cash transfer programs. For many mayors and city council members, basic income is an unfamiliar concept. That&#39;s why the Stanford Basic Income Lab created a toolkit for cities interested in basic income. This guide covers everything from past basic income research to managing expectations and media narratives. Catherine Thomas, a PhD Candidate in the Stanford Psychology Department and Graduate Fellow in the Stanford Basic Income Lab joined the podcast to discuss this exciting new resource.]]></description>
                <content:encoded>Much of the momentum around basic income is at the municipal level: Stockton&amp;#39;s trial will start soon, Chicago is creating a basic income task force, and a handful of other American cities are exploring basic income or other cash transfer programs. For many mayors and city council members, basic income is an unfamiliar concept. That&amp;#39;s why the Stanford Basic Income Lab created a toolkit for cities interested in basic income. This guide covers everything from past basic income research to managing expectations and media narratives. Catherine Thomas, a PhD Candidate in the Stanford Psychology Department and Graduate Fellow in the Stanford Basic Income Lab joined the podcast to discuss this exciting new resource.</content:encoded>
                
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                <pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2018 01:53:55 &#43;0000</pubDate>
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                <itunes:title>Examining Iran’s Cash Transfer Program, feat. Dr. Djavad Salehi-Isfahani</itunes:title>
                <title>Examining Iran’s Cash Transfer Program, feat. Dr. Djavad Salehi-Isfahani</title>

                
                
                <itunes:author>Owen Poindexter, Jim Pugh</itunes:author>
                <itunes:subtitle>In 2010, Iran replaced their energy subsidies with a cash transfer program, which was originally intended only for poor Iranians, but was expanded to go to everyone. We now have ample data to examine the effects on labor supply and a handful of other soc</itunes:subtitle>
                <itunes:summary>&lt;p&gt;In 2010, Iran replaced their energy subsidies with a cash transfer program, which was originally intended only for poor Iranians, but was expanded to go to everyone. We now have ample data to examine the effects on labor supply and a handful of other social metrics. Much of our knowledge of Iran’s program comes from a study co-authored by our guest this week, Djavad Salehi-Isfahani, a professor of Economics at Virginia Tech, and a Non-resident Senior Fellow at the Brookings Institution. Dr. Salehi Isfahani explains both the economic impact of the program and the public reaction to it.&lt;/p&gt;
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                <content:encoded>In 2010, Iran replaced their energy subsidies with a cash transfer program, which was originally intended only for poor Iranians, but was expanded to go to everyone. We now have ample data to examine the effects on labor supply and a handful of other social metrics. Much of our knowledge of Iran&amp;#39;s program comes from a study co-authored by our guest this week, Djavad Salehi-Isfahani, a professor of Economics at Virginia Tech, and a Non-resident Senior Fellow at the Brookings Institution. Dr. Salehi Isfahani explains both the economic impact of the program and the public reaction to it.</content:encoded>
                
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                <pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2018 22:27:35 &#43;0000</pubDate>
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                <itunes:title>How Dolly Parton Provided Wildfire Relief using Cash Transfers, feat. Dr. Stacia Martin-West</itunes:title>
                <title>How Dolly Parton Provided Wildfire Relief using Cash Transfers, feat. Dr. Stacia Martin-West</title>

                
                
                <itunes:author>Owen Poindexter, Jim Pugh</itunes:author>
                <itunes:subtitle>A recent example of the power of unconditional cash is the My People Fund, launched by the Dollywood Foundation in the wake of the 2016 Kentucky wildfires. This program provided people who had lost their homes with monthly cash support to help them recov</itunes:subtitle>
                <itunes:summary>&lt;p&gt;A recent example of the power of unconditional cash is the My People Fund, launched by the Dollywood Foundation in the wake of the 2016 Kentucky wildfires. This program provided people who had lost their homes with monthly cash support to help them recover. Dr. Stacia Martin-West from the University of Kentucky analyzed the impact of this program and joined the podcast to discuss what she found.&lt;/p&gt;
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                <description><![CDATA[A recent example of the power of unconditional cash is the My People Fund, launched by the Dollywood Foundation in the wake of the 2016 Kentucky wildfires. This program provided people who had lost their homes with monthly cash support to help them recover. Dr. Stacia Martin-West from the University of Kentucky analyzed the impact of this program and came on the podcast to discuss what she found.]]></description>
                <content:encoded>A recent example of the power of unconditional cash is the My People Fund, launched by the Dollywood Foundation in the wake of the 2016 Kentucky wildfires. This program provided people who had lost their homes with monthly cash support to help them recover. Dr. Stacia Martin-West from the University of Kentucky analyzed the impact of this program and came on the podcast to discuss what she found.</content:encoded>
                
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                <pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2018 01:11:05 &#43;0000</pubDate>
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                <itunes:title>The Native American Experience with Cash Dividends, feat. Thomas Klemm</itunes:title>
                <title>The Native American Experience with Cash Dividends, feat. Thomas Klemm</title>

                
                
                <itunes:author>Owen Poindexter, Jim Pugh</itunes:author>
                <itunes:subtitle>We often talk about the desire for more trials and programs that give people unconditional cash, but one has been going on for decades: per capita payments in Sovereign Native American Nations. Under these programs, the nation is provided a revenue sourc</itunes:subtitle>
                <itunes:summary>&lt;p&gt;We often talk about the desire for more trials and programs that give people unconditional cash, but one has been going on for decades: per capita payments in Sovereign Native American Nations. Under these programs, the nation is provided a revenue source–typically but not always from a casino–and this may be used in a number of ways, including “per-capita” payments to everyone in the nation. Payments vary in size, number of recipients, and duration. Thomas Klemm of the Pokagon band of the Potawatomi Indians, who is conducting qualitative research on per-capita payments, joined the podcast to discuss these programs and the impact they’ve had.&lt;/p&gt;
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                <description><![CDATA[We often talk about the desire for more trials and programs that give people unconditional cash, but one has been going on for decades: per capita payments in Sovereign Native American Nations. Under these programs, the nation is provided a revenue source--typically but not always from a casino--and this may be used in a number of ways, including &#34;per-capita&#34; payments to everyone in the nation. Payments vary in size, number of recipients, and duration. Thomas Klemm of the Pokagon band of the Potawatomi Indians, who is conducting qualitative research on per-capita payments, joined the podcast to discuss these programs and the impact they&#39;ve had.]]></description>
                <content:encoded>We often talk about the desire for more trials and programs that give people unconditional cash, but one has been going on for decades: per capita payments in Sovereign Native American Nations. Under these programs, the nation is provided a revenue source--typically but not always from a casino--and this may be used in a number of ways, including &amp;#34;per-capita&amp;#34; payments to everyone in the nation. Payments vary in size, number of recipients, and duration. Thomas Klemm of the Pokagon band of the Potawatomi Indians, who is conducting qualitative research on per-capita payments, joined the podcast to discuss these programs and the impact they&amp;#39;ve had.</content:encoded>
                
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                <pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2018 22:16:08 &#43;0000</pubDate>
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                <itunes:title>The Movement to Bring UBI to Chicago, feat. Ameya Pawar</itunes:title>
                <title>The Movement to Bring UBI to Chicago, feat. Ameya Pawar</title>

                
                
                <itunes:author>Owen Poindexter, Jim Pugh</itunes:author>
                <itunes:subtitle>News broke recently that the city of Chicago has formed a task force to examine the future of work and a potential basic income pilot study. Alderman Ameya Pawar joined the podcast to discuss the motivation behind this initiative, who will be on the task</itunes:subtitle>
                <itunes:summary>&lt;p&gt;News broke recently that the city of Chicago has formed a task force to examine the future of work and a potential basic income pilot program. Alderman Ameya Pawar joined the podcast to discuss the motivation behind this initiative, who will be on the task force, and its current status.&lt;/p&gt;
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                <content:encoded>News broke recently that the city of Chicago has formed a task force to examine the future of work and a potential basic income pilot study. Alderman Ameya Pawar joined the podcast to discuss the motivation behind this initiative, who will be on the task force, and its current status.</content:encoded>
                
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                <pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2018 00:37:59 &#43;0000</pubDate>
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                <itunes:title>The Benefits, Promise, and Drawbacks of Basic Income Pilots</itunes:title>
                <title>The Benefits, Promise, and Drawbacks of Basic Income Pilots</title>

                
                
                <itunes:author>Owen Poindexter, Jim Pugh</itunes:author>
                <itunes:subtitle>Basic income pilots are ongoing or starting soon in Finland, Ontario, Stockton, Jacksonville, East Africa and two other U.S. states to be announced. These represent some of the most exciting developments in the basic income space, but its worth taking a</itunes:subtitle>
                <itunes:summary>&lt;p&gt;Basic income pilots are ongoing or starting soon in Finland, Ontario, Stockton, Jacksonville, East Africa, and two other U.S. states to be announced. These represent some of the most exciting developments in the basic income space, but it’s worth taking a step back to think about why we invest the considerable time, energy, and money it takes to run a pilot. In this discussion episode, Owen and Jim delve into what pilots have meant so far to the basic income discussion, and where they might take us in the future.&lt;/p&gt;
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                <description><![CDATA[Basic income pilots are ongoing or starting soon in Finland, Ontario, Stockton, Jacksonville, East Africa and two other U.S. states to be announced. These represent some of the most exciting developments in the basic income space, but it&#39;s worth taking a step back to think about why we invest the considerable time, energy and money it takes to run a pilot. In this discussion episode, Owen and Jim delve into what pilots have meant so far to the basic income discussion, and where they might take us in the future.]]></description>
                <content:encoded>Basic income pilots are ongoing or starting soon in Finland, Ontario, Stockton, Jacksonville, East Africa and two other U.S. states to be announced. These represent some of the most exciting developments in the basic income space, but it&amp;#39;s worth taking a step back to think about why we invest the considerable time, energy and money it takes to run a pilot. In this discussion episode, Owen and Jim delve into what pilots have meant so far to the basic income discussion, and where they might take us in the future.</content:encoded>
                
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                <pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2018 16:46:59 &#43;0000</pubDate>
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                <itunes:title>Basic Income and Organized Labor, feat. Ed Wytkind</itunes:title>
                <title>Basic Income and Organized Labor, feat. Ed Wytkind</title>

                
                
                <itunes:author>Owen Poindexter, Jim Pugh</itunes:author>
                <itunes:subtitle>A big open question around universal basic income is how the policy would relate to organized labor in the United States. While Andy Stern, former President of SEIU, the countrys largest labor union, is very supportive of basic income, others in the labo</itunes:subtitle>
                <itunes:summary>&lt;p&gt;A big open question around universal basic income is how the policy would relate to organized labor in the United States. While Andy Stern, former President of SEIU, the country’s largest labor union, is very supportive of basic income, others in the labor world are far more skeptical. To hash out some of the concerns there, Jim spoke with Ed Wytkind, President of EW Strategies and Senior Advisor to the AFL-CIO.&lt;/p&gt;
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                <description><![CDATA[A big open question around universal basic income is how the policy would relate to organized labor in the United States. While Andy Stern, former President of SEIU, the country&#39;s largest labor union, is very supportive of basic income, others in the labor world are far more skeptical. To hash out some of the concerns there, Jim spoke with Ed Wytkind, President of EW Strategies and Senior Advisor to the AFL-CIO.]]></description>
                <content:encoded>A big open question around universal basic income is how the policy would relate to organized labor in the United States. While Andy Stern, former President of SEIU, the country&amp;#39;s largest labor union, is very supportive of basic income, others in the labor world are far more skeptical. To hash out some of the concerns there, Jim spoke with Ed Wytkind, President of EW Strategies and Senior Advisor to the AFL-CIO.</content:encoded>
                
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                <pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2018 20:41:35 &#43;0000</pubDate>
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                <itunes:title>Updates on the Stockton Basic Income Trial, feat. Mayor Michael Tubbs and Lori Ospina</itunes:title>
                <title>Updates on the Stockton Basic Income Trial, feat. Mayor Michael Tubbs and Lori Ospina</title>

                
                
                <itunes:author>Owen Poindexter, Jim Pugh</itunes:author>
                <itunes:subtitle>As listeners of the podcast will almost certainly know, Stockton, California is planning a basic income trial for 2019. Jim spoke with Stockton Mayor Michael Tubbs and project leader Lori Ospina about new details regarding how the program will be structu</itunes:subtitle>
                <itunes:summary>&lt;p&gt;As listeners of the podcast will almost certainly know, Stockton, California is planning a basic income trial for 2019. Jim spoke with Stockton Mayor Michael Tubbs and project leader Lori Ospina about new details regarding how the program will be structured, how recipients will be selected, and the challenges and responses so far to the Stockton Economic Empowerment Demonstration. For more information, you can go to &lt;a href=&#34;https://www.stocktondemonstration.org/&#34; rel=&#34;nofollow&#34;&gt;StocktonDemonstration.org&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;——&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;h2&gt;Episode Transcript&lt;/h2&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Owen:&lt;/strong&gt; Hello, and welcome to the Basic Income Podcast. I’m Owen Poindexter.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jim:&lt;/strong&gt; And I’m Jim Pugh.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Owen:&lt;/strong&gt; As listeners of this show will undoubtedly know one of the most exciting developments in the basic income space is the coming basic income trial in Stockton, California next year.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jim:&lt;/strong&gt; There has been some recent announcements that tell us a little bit more about how that trial is going to work. Giving us more of a sense of how things are actually going to be developing in the months ahead.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Owen:&lt;/strong&gt; To hear about some of the most recent announcements and the motivation behind the trial and everything else we know to date, Jim got to sit down with Michael Tubbs, the mayor of Stockton, California and Lori Ospina, the director of the Stockton Economic Empowerment Demonstration.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jim:&lt;/strong&gt; Thank you both for joining on the Basic Income Podcast.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Lori:&lt;/strong&gt; Thank you for having us.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Mayor Tubbs:&lt;/strong&gt; Glad to be here.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jim:&lt;/strong&gt; Let’s start with the motivation for SEED. Mayor Tubbs, what first gave you the idea to pursue a basic income pilot in Stockton?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Mayor Tubbs:&lt;/strong&gt; Well, I think a lot of it comes from two things. Number one, about a quarter of our population lives in poverty. I’ll argue another 25% to 30% is one paycheck away. I believe that poverty and economic insecurity is at the core. A lot of the other issues we face in the city from housing affordability to homelessness to crime, et cetera, educational attainment, et cetera, et cetera.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Also, just from lived experience, coming from a single parent household with a mom who worked incredibly hard and still struggled has always given me a passion for using the tools in government to create the conditions where the bottom doesn’t have to fall underneath people while being part of our community. With those motivations in mind, I had a group of policy researchers research some of the most radical intervention they could think from poverty. Last year, they came back with basic income.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I had been familiar with the term from reading Dr. King, what he called for in Where Do We Go From Here: Chaos or Community?. The next week, we were able to meet the Economic Security Project who said they were looking for a city to pilot basic income, and that’s where SEED was born.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jim:&lt;/strong&gt; For most basic income pilot programs around the world, the sole purpose of the pilot is quantitative research: running a controlled experiment with randomized groups where some people receive a basic income, others don’t, and then looking for differences between those groups after some amount of time. But you’re aiming to do more than just the quantitative research in Stockton. You not only have researchers involved in the pilot but also artists and cultural creatives. What’s the motivation behind taking that approach?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Mayor Tubbs:&lt;/strong&gt; Lori, feel free to jump in. Briefly, I’ll say that we understand that data alone doesn’t move people. For an idea and a concept like this, to really have it take hold, folks need stories, folks need images, and folks need art to really help raise consciousness, and also show that this is not a po</itunes:summary>
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                <content:encoded>As listeners of the podcast will almost certainly know, Stockton, California is planning a basic income trial for 2019. Jim spoke with Stockton Mayor Michael Tubbs and project leader Lori Ospina about new details regarding how the program will be structured, how recipients will be selected, and the challenges and responses so far to the Stockton Economic Empowerment Demonstration. For more information, you can go to StocktonDemonstration.org.</content:encoded>
                
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                <pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2018 18:49:48 &#43;0000</pubDate>
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                <itunes:title>Designing an American Social Wealth Fund, feat. Matt Bruenig</itunes:title>
                <title>Designing an American Social Wealth Fund, feat. Matt Bruenig</title>

                
                
                <itunes:author>Owen Poindexter, Jim Pugh</itunes:author>
                <itunes:subtitle>One of the leading ideas on how to implement a basic income is a social wealth fund, similar to Alaskas Permanent Fund, in which a government maintains a fund of various assets and provides dividends to everyone who lives within its borders. Matt Bruenig</itunes:subtitle>
                <itunes:summary>&lt;p&gt;One of the leading ideas on how to implement a basic income is a social wealth fund, similar to Alaska’s Permanent Fund, in which a government maintains a fund of various assets and provides dividends to everyone who lives within its borders. Matt Bruenig, President of the People’s Policy Project, recently designed a detailed proposal for implementing a social wealth fund in the US that would be financially and politically stable. He spoke with Jim about how he crafted this design and how he plans to advance it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;——&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;h2&gt;Episode Transcript&lt;/h2&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Owen:&lt;/strong&gt; Hello, and welcome to the Basic Income Podcast. I’m Owen Poindexter.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jim:&lt;/strong&gt; And I’m Jim Pugh.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Owen:&lt;/strong&gt; One of the leading ideas in the basic income space right now is a social wealth fund similar to what’s going on in Alaska, where they take state revenue mostly from their oil funds and provide a universal dividend to every person there.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jim:&lt;/strong&gt; This idea has been taken and built upon and looking at whether potentially it could be replicated both in other states and also potentially ultimately at the national level where we could actually have this big fund that’s paying out these universal dividends to everyone in the country that might, at some point, actually start to approach a full universal basic income.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Owen:&lt;/strong&gt; One of the big thinkers on this topic is Matt Bruenig. He is the founder of the People’s Policy Project. He recently published a very detailed expansive proposal for a social wealth fund for the entire United States. Jim got to sit down with Matt Bruenig and discuss his proposal.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jim:&lt;/strong&gt; Matt, thank you so much for joining us on the program.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Matt:&lt;/strong&gt; Thanks for having me.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jim:&lt;/strong&gt; Now, in late 2017, you wrote a piece in The New York Times about a specific model for financing a universal dividend program, which you dubbed a social wealth fund. We’ve actually talked a few times about social wealth funds on the podcast in the past, but just to make sure that everyone is up to speed, can you generally explain what a social wealth fund is and how it works?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Matt:&lt;/strong&gt; Yes. In its broadest definition, a social wealth fund is a collective pool of generally financial assets that is owned by the government, and the return on those assets is used for social welfare purposes. In my specific version of a social wealth fund, the government creates a new fund, gives every person in the country one share of ownership in the fund, then it fills the fund up with assets. As those assets generate a return, that return is then paid out to the owners of the fund, which again, is everyone in America who would own one share of the fund. That’s the basic model for my particular implementation of the general idea.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jim:&lt;/strong&gt; On that note, you released a quite extensive and specific proposal last month for the creation of an American social wealth fund, which you dubbed the American Solidarity Fund. Can you tell us more about what specifically is in that proposal?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Matt:&lt;/strong&gt; Yes. It is, like I said, in broad strokes, the government will create a new fund, I call it the American Solidarity Fund. It will also create a new management company, which will be a government corporation. That management company will be charged with running the fund, basically investing it just like any asset manager does in the private sector. Every American would be given one share of ownership in the fund. Every year, they would receive a dividend based on the returns on that fund.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The biggest, I guess, question mark that the paper tries to answer is, how do you get assets into the fund in the first place? We know how to basically run a fund. It’s just like a pension fund or a mutual fund, it’s not a</itunes:summary>
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                <content:encoded>One of the leading ideas on how to implement a basic income is a social wealth fund, similar to Alaska&amp;#39;s Permanent Fund, in which a government maintains a fund of various assets and provides dividends to everyone who lives within its borders. Matt Bruenig, President of the People&amp;#39;s Policy Project, recently designed a detailed proposal for implementing a social wealth fund in the US that would be financially and politically stable. He spoke with Jim about how he crafted this design and how he plans to advance it.</content:encoded>
                
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                <pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2018 21:03:03 &#43;0000</pubDate>
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                <itunes:title>An Update on the Basic Income Trials in Kenya, feat. Joe Huston</itunes:title>
                <title>An Update on the Basic Income Trials in Kenya, feat. Joe Huston</title>

                
                
                <itunes:author>Owen Poindexter, Jim Pugh</itunes:author>
                <itunes:subtitle>GiveDirectly has been doing some of the biggest, most groundbreaking work in basic income and cash transfers. One of the first episodes of this podcast featured GiveDirectly CFO Joe Huston, and we invited him back on to discuss their village-wide basic i</itunes:subtitle>
                <itunes:summary>&lt;p&gt;GiveDirectly has been doing some of the biggest, most groundbreaking work in basic income and cash transfers. One of the first episodes of this podcast featured GiveDirectly CFO Joe Huston, and we invited him back on to discuss their village-wide basic income trials in Kenya, their work with Ugandan refugees, a new project in Liberia and with hurricane relief efforts in Texas and Puerto Rico. Joe discusses the promises and challenges of working in these different contexts.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;——&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;h2&gt;Episode Transcript&lt;/h2&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Owen:&lt;/strong&gt; Hello, and welcome to the Basic Income Podcast. I’m Owen Poindexter.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jim:&lt;/strong&gt; And I’m Jim Pugh. Almost two years ago, in one of our early episodes, we talked to Joe Huston. He’s the CFO over at GiveDirectly. He was telling us about GiveDirectly’s basic income experiment that they were getting ready to launch in Kenya at that point. Given it’s been so long, we thought it would be good to catch up with Joe and see how things were progressing so far with the pilot.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Owen:&lt;/strong&gt; I spoke to Joe Huston about how things are going and some of the new work that GiveDirectly is doing. Here’s my conversation with Joe Huston at GiveDirectly.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Alright, Joe Huston, thank you for joining us on the podcast.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Joe:&lt;/strong&gt; Thank you, guys, for having me back.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Owen:&lt;/strong&gt; This will be a review for some of our listeners, but could you just start by giving a quick overview of GiveDirectly’s Village Pilot Program and what stage it’s in right now?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Joe:&lt;/strong&gt; Yes. GiveDirectly in general only ever does one thing. It delivers unconditional cash transfers. Then along the way, as we’re delivering those cash transfers, something we’re often doing is testing how they work. Do they work at all? Do particular structures for particular types of people work better or worse than other structures? We’re constantly experimenting with different types of cash transfers.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As we saw the debate and conversation about basic income grow a lot over the last two years, we saw it as an opportunity for us to test a universal basic income. When we talked two years ago, we were at the very beginning stages of fundraising for that project and sketching out how it could work from a study perspective and what sizes the cash transfers would be and things like that. Since then, about two years ago, so a few months after we talked, we kicked off the first one-village pilot. This was one village with about 100 adults, each receiving monthly cash payments of about US$ 20, with the promise that those will continue going out for 12 years.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We’ve now been able to follow these people over the course of about two years of those monthly payments. In tandem, we continue to fundraise and work on the research designed for the full study. Enrollment for that full study, which will be over 20,000 adult recipients in over 200 villages, kicked off at the end of last year and wrapped up at the beginning of this year. We should have the first round of follow-up results something like early to mid next year, following up with people after a year of cash payments.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Owen:&lt;/strong&gt; Great, generally, are things going as planned? Have you had to modify things as they go along or you’re pretty much sticking to the original design?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Joe:&lt;/strong&gt; From a design perspective, things have largely gone as planned. One design question we got to test with the pilot was whether or not individually targeted payments would be seen as threatening to households. That was probably my biggest, almost operational implementation worry, that it would be seen as trying to pay each individual adult versus paying households or families as a group would be seen as like GiveDirectly is trying to shake up family structures or empower one person over another in a couple.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Tha</itunes:summary>
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                <itunes:title>Racial Narratives and Basic Income, feat. Anne Price</itunes:title>
                <title>Racial Narratives and Basic Income, feat. Anne Price</title>

                
                
                <itunes:author>Owen Poindexter, Jim Pugh</itunes:author>
                <itunes:subtitle>The history of our social safety net, government benefits and anti-poverty programs are inextricably tied up with race. Racial narratives are embedded in the public discourse around these programs, and in many cases, into the laws themselves. The basic i</itunes:subtitle>
                <itunes:summary>&lt;p&gt;The history of our social safety net, government benefits, and anti-poverty programs is inextricably tied to race. Racial narratives are embedded in the public discourse around these programs, and in many cases, into the laws themselves. The basic income discussion in the U.S. must inevitably include a conversation about race and racial narratives. Anne Price, who studies race and public policy as President of the Insight Center for Community Economic Development, joins the podcast to discuss these issues and how they relate to basic income.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;——&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;h2&gt;Episode Transcript&lt;/h2&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Owen:&lt;/strong&gt; Hello. Welcome to the Basic Income Podcast. I’m Owen Poindexter&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jim:&lt;/strong&gt; And I’m Jim Pugh.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Owen:&lt;/strong&gt; One crucial issue around the social safety net and how we’re approaching lifting people up and taking care of the most vulnerable disenfranchised people in our society is race and racial inequalities and inequities. In this episode, we delve into some of those and how basic income relates.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jim:&lt;/strong&gt; A big part of race is understanding what are the underlying narratives that are at play in our society that actually drive a lot of people’s views on things. To really delve into that, we invited on Anne Price, who’s the president of the Insight Center for Community Economic Development to talk about her work and her view on these underlying narratives, race, and basic income itself. I had a chance to sit down with Anne and talk to her about all of this stuff.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Owen:&lt;/strong&gt; Here’s Jim’s conversation with Anne Price.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jim:&lt;/strong&gt; To start with, could you just tell us about what work the Insight Center does?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Anne:&lt;/strong&gt; Sure. The Insight Center has been around since 1969. We focus on uncovering the hidden truth around economic security through research, through advocacy. A lot of our work is really zooming in on racial and economic exclusion.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jim:&lt;/strong&gt; I know from many of our past conversations, a lot of your work focuses on narrative, cultural narrative. That’s something that often, when people talk about policy, just is not even part of the conversation. People think of that in a different bucket really. Can you say a bit more about what work you do on narrative and how that actually does tie in to policy and policy-making?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Anne:&lt;/strong&gt; Yes. We’ve been focused on the issue of narratives for about six or seven years. We really got into this work because we began to understand that narrative undergirds policy decision making and enables us to think about how we build public will towards passing the policies that we think will make the most difference. A public narrative really helps bring people together. It reminds us a lot about what our shared values are. It helps us feel the emotion associated with the values and putting those values into action.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jim:&lt;/strong&gt; Now, let’s talk about race. When most people think about racism, they’re typically thinking about that happening at the individual level, actions that are showing explicit racial bias, but some of the most pernicious forms of racism today actually extend far beyond that and delve very much into the implicit side and motivations and actions that may not be on their face this traditional obvious sense people have of racism. That, I know connects very deeply to narratives. Can you talk about how those things tie together?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Anne:&lt;/strong&gt; Sure. When we think about how we’re experiencing racism in this country today, of course, some of it seems to be very explicit. But a lot of what we’re actually seeing in terms of people’s truly lived experiences are embedded in our institutions, in the rules, practices, and cultural norms that define those policies and those institutions. While what we’re seeing on</itunes:summary>
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                <itunes:title>Automation and its Role in the Basic Income Movement</itunes:title>
                <title>Automation and its Role in the Basic Income Movement</title>

                
                
                <itunes:author>Owen Poindexter, Jim Pugh</itunes:author>
                <itunes:subtitle>For so many people, including both hosts of the podcast, the entry point to basic income was concerns about automation and how it could create an economy that requires many fewer employees. In this discussion episode, Owen and Jim delve into the pluses a</itunes:subtitle>
                <itunes:summary>&lt;p&gt;For so many people, including both hosts of the podcast, the entry point to basic income was concerns about automation and how it could create an economy that requires many fewer employees. In this discussion episode, Owen and Jim delve into the pluses and minuses of automation’s primacy in the basic income discussion, and what a more rounded rationale for basic income looks like.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;——&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;h2&gt;Episode Transcript&lt;/h2&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Owen:&lt;/strong&gt; Hello, and welcome to the Basic Income Podcast. I’m Owen Poindexter.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jim:&lt;/strong&gt; And I’m Jim Pugh. Something that comes up very, very often in basic income conversations and media coverage is a strong connection between basic income and automation. The idea that basic income is a solution for or at least is very closely, innately tied together with this idea that automation will drastically change our workspace in the relatively near future.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Owen:&lt;/strong&gt; Yes, and I think this is how we both initially came to the idea of basic income. We wanted to take this episode to discuss the pros and cons of tying these two things together and why it’s happened so much so far.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We imagine most of our listeners are pretty familiar with automation and a lot of the discussion around that. There are a lot of really good resources that you can dig up pretty easily if you are not. We’ll give a quick overview of what we are talking about when we talk about automation and basic income, but spend most of this episode talking about more of the discussion in how these two have been linked.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In terms of what we’re talking about when we say that many jobs could be a threat, there’s, for instance, a study that came out of Oxford that 47% of jobs are at risk of being automated. There are other similar studies that produce results in that catastrophic range.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jim:&lt;/strong&gt; Right, and the idea that not only could automation replace a lot of the types of jobs that you more traditionally think about being automated, these more mechanical rote jobs, but as artificial intelligence gets more sophisticated and smarter, there may actually be a lot of mental work that becomes at risk of being replaced as well. Work done by doctors, lawyers, professions that in the past it really didn’t seem like there was any reason to be concerned around.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;All this together creates this pretty terrifying specter of what the future might look like. That if most of the work that gets done today through paid jobs can be automated and will be automated, suddenly we are looking at the scenario where most jobs are gone, most people don’t have a path to paid employment, and therefore we need to do something radically different than what we have today, perhaps basic income.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Owen:&lt;/strong&gt; Right, and a lot of the most prominent, most public advocates for basic income are people who come at it from an automation angle; Elon Musk, Mark Zuckerberg, Richard Branson, and the presidential candidate Andrew Yang.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jim:&lt;/strong&gt; Yes, I think you see, if you are just looking at media coverage, so often it is about these very high profile people who have spoken out in favor of basic income. At least with the view that they think we need basic income with this assumption that we’re moving towards that future that looks like that.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Because of that, because there has been so much coverage of it, because you do have these high profile folks who are talking about it or running for president on it, I think very often that just becomes this internalized idea that those have that these two things go together and that they are tied to one another. If you look at the online conversation, this is very, very common. What people post about on Twitter or wherever else, it’s saying, “Automation is coming soon, therefore, basic income.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Owen:&lt;/strong&gt; Right, and I f</itunes:summary>
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                <itunes:title>The Alaska Permanent Fund, feat. Sen. Bill Wielechowski</itunes:title>
                <title>The Alaska Permanent Fund, feat. Sen. Bill Wielechowski</title>

                
                
                <itunes:author>Owen Poindexter, Jim Pugh</itunes:author>
                <itunes:subtitle>Its easy to forget that one U.S. state administers a universal cash dividend and has for over thirty years. Alaska came into a windfall from leasing its oil lands in the late seventies and early eighties, and made the bold decision to invest the revenue</itunes:subtitle>
                <itunes:summary>&lt;p&gt;It’s easy to forget that one U.S. state administers a universal cash dividend and has for over thirty years. Alaska came into a windfall from leasing its oil lands in the late seventies and early eighties, and made the bold decision to invest the revenue in a sovereign wealth fund, which provides cash dividends to every Alaskan on an annual basis. Alaska State Sen. Bill Wielechowski joins the podcast to discuss the past, present and future of the Alaska Permanent Fund, and if it could be a model for the entire country.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;——&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;h2&gt;Episode Transcript&lt;/h2&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Owen:&lt;/strong&gt; Hello, and welcome to the Basic Income Podcast. I’m Owen Poindexter.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jim:&lt;/strong&gt; And I’m Jim Pugh. We have many, many times on this podcast brought up the Alaska Permanent Fund as really the only existing example of government-run universal income that exists today, certainly in the US and it seems to a large degree around the world, where people there, everyone in the state is getting this check every year that came from the oil money there.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But we haven’t ever really dived in deeply on what are all the dynamics that actually come into play with that? How does that work, and how did it come to be?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Owen:&lt;/strong&gt; To delve into that, I got to speak with Alaska State Senator Bill Wielechowski, who is a big proponent of the fund and gave us an on-the-ground book on what’s going on in Alaska.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jim:&lt;/strong&gt; Here’s Owen’s interview with Senator Bill Wielechowski.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Owen:&lt;/strong&gt; Senator Wielechowski, thank you for joining us on the podcast.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Senator Wielechowski:&lt;/strong&gt; Thank you for having me.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Owen:&lt;/strong&gt; Many of our listeners are familiar with the Alaska Permanent Fund, but just to ground us, would you describe the fund and how it works?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Senator Wielechowski:&lt;/strong&gt; Yes, the Alaska Permanent Fund was set up in 1982. What had happened was, several years before that, we had discovered oil in Alaska in Prudhoe Bay. The state of Alaska got $900 million for the royalties from leasing that out. This was at a time when our annual state budget was around $125 million. They had spent all that $900 million within about six years.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The people of Alaska were frustrated, and they wanted to be able to put some away, and they wanted to be able to make sure that some of it went to everyday ordinary Alaskans because a lot of that money went to big special interests. It went to people who were politically connected. They created the Alaska Permanent Fund, and they put in 25% of all the royalty money that we get for our oil and gas. We have a tremendous amount of oil and gas in Alaska.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This is something that’s unique about Alaska compared to every other state in the country. We’re the only state in the country where the state actually owns subsurface rights. We actually own the oil and gas as opposed to a private landowner in say Texas, North Dakota, or California where if you happen to own a land, you’re a farmer, rancher, and you shoot and hit the ground and oil shoots up, you actually, the private landowner, own that oil. In Alaska, that belongs to the state, and it belongs collectively to everyone.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What better way to share that resource wealth than to pay it out in a dividend to every single Alaskan? That’s exactly what we do. Every man, woman, and child who is a resident of the state of Alaska — you have to be a resident for one full calendar year — you’re eligible for a Permanent Fund Dividend. It’s been as high as about $3,200 several years ago. This year, it’s projected to be about $1,600 per person. For a family of four, it’s a significant amount of income.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It’s done some really tremendous things in Alaska. We have the lowest income inequality in the United States, in large part because of the</itunes:summary>
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                <content:encoded>It&amp;#39;s easy to forget that one U.S. state administers a universal cash dividend and has for over thirty years. Alaska came into a windfall from leasing its oil lands in the late seventies and early eighties, and made the bold decision to invest the revenue in a sovereign wealth fund, which provides cash dividends to every Alaskan on an annual basis. Alaska State Sen. Bill Wielechowski joins the podcast to discuss the past, present and future of the Alaska Permanent Fund, and if it could be a model for the entire country.</content:encoded>
                
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                <itunes:title>The Humans of Basic Income Project, feat. Ontario Activist Jessie Golem</itunes:title>
                <title>The Humans of Basic Income Project, feat. Ontario Activist Jessie Golem</title>

                
                
                <itunes:author>Owen Poindexter, Jim Pugh</itunes:author>
                <itunes:subtitle>Recently, as our listeners will know, the new administration in Ontario, Canada, announced that they will cancel the ongoing basic income trials there. In response, Jessie Golem, a photographer and basic income recipient, started a project called Humans</itunes:subtitle>
                <itunes:summary>&lt;p&gt;Recently, as our listeners will know, the new administration in Ontario, Canada, announced that they will cancel the ongoing basic income trials there. In response, Jessie Golem, a photographer and basic income recipient, started a project called Humans of Basic Income (@HumansBasic on Twitter). Golem takes portraits of other basic income recipients in Ontario holding up handwritten signs describing what basic income has meant to them. The project both humanizes the basic income program and argues for it to continue. Jim spoke with Jessie Golem about the Ontario program and the Humans of Basic Income project.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;——&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;h2&gt;Episode Transcript&lt;/h2&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Owen:&lt;/strong&gt; Hello, and welcome to the Basic Income Podcast. I’m Owen Poindexter.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jim:&lt;/strong&gt; And I’m Jim Pugh.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Owen:&lt;/strong&gt; Recently, as listeners of this podcast will know, the Ontario Basic Income trials– there was announcement that they would be canceled. Now as of now, we have no details about when or how that’s going to happen, and so the recipients of basic income are pretty much left in limbo, wondering if they’re going to get their payment next month, next year, and so on. Since the announcement, a photographer, named Jessie Golem, started a project called Humans of Basic Income, in which she takes photos of basic income recipients in Ontario holding up a sign with a sentence or two about what basic income has meant to them. Since then, the project has completely taken off.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jim:&lt;/strong&gt; I had a chance to sit down with Jessie and talk to her about her experiences with this project and where she sees it going.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Owen:&lt;/strong&gt; Here’s Jim and Jessie Golem on the Basic Income Podcast.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jim:&lt;/strong&gt; Jessie, thanks so much for joining us on the podcast.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jessie:&lt;/strong&gt; Awesome. I’m excited.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jim:&lt;/strong&gt; Now, you run the Humans of Basic Income project, which is telling stories of participants in the Ontario Basic Income Pilot. Beyond that, you’re actually enrolled in the program yourself, correct?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jessie:&lt;/strong&gt; Yes, that is correct.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jim:&lt;/strong&gt; Can you tell us a bit about what your experience has been before and during the pilot?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jessie:&lt;/strong&gt; Yes, I worked four jobs before signing up for the pilot. I signed up in December, and I found out I got approved in February. I was working four jobs. It’s basically like I was up early in the morning and just working nonstop between all of my jobs and not really having time to make meals for myself or I’m just going home just to sleep and shower and that’s it and nothing else. It was just a very, very exhausting and frustrating existence. I was also finding that I was still just barely scraping by and still living paycheck to paycheck, but still feeling like I didn’t have time and the opportunity to pursue the things I want to do or focus my energies into the jobs I want to be doing.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;When I got basic income, I dropped down from four jobs to two jobs. Those two jobs was on both building and managing my own business as a freelance photographer, so advertising, booking photo projects, doing the thing I love, and also I’m the operations manager at Photographers Without Borders. That’s a rapidly growing organization and in itself, it is a full-time job. It needs the energy and time to devote to it and basic income was buying me that energy and time to devote to growing PWB.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jim:&lt;/strong&gt; Wow. That sounds like exciting stuff. It would be a very positive shift to be able to really focus your energies in that way. As I think all of our listeners know, last month, the new Progressive Conservative Government of Ontario announced that they were canceling the pilot, despite having promised that they would not do so during the election.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jessie:</itunes:summary>
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                <content:encoded>Recently, as our listeners will know, the new administration in Ontario, Canada, announced that they will cancel the ongoing basic income trials there. In response, Jessie Golem, a photographer and basic income recipient, started a project called Humans of Basic Income (@HumansBasic on Twitter). Golem takes portraits of other basic income recipients in Ontario holding up handwritten signs describing what basic income has meant to them. The project both humanizes the basic income program and argues for it to continue. Jim spoke with Jessie Golem about the Ontario program and the Humans of Basic Income project.</content:encoded>
                
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                <itunes:title>A New Basic Income Pilot in Mississippi, feat. Aisha Nyandoro</itunes:title>
                <title>A New Basic Income Pilot in Mississippi, feat. Aisha Nyandoro</title>

                
                
                <itunes:author>Owen Poindexter, Jim Pugh</itunes:author>
                <itunes:subtitle>Recently, we got a very exciting announcement from Springboard To Opportunities and the Economic Security Project: the two groups are collaborating to create the Magnolia Mothers Trust. This program will provide an unconditional basic income to a small g</itunes:subtitle>
                <itunes:summary>&lt;p&gt;Recently, we got a very exciting announcement from Springboard To Opportunities and the Economic Security Project: the two groups are collaborating to create the Magnolia Mother’s Trust. This program will provide an unconditional basic income to a small group of low-income African American mothers. Owen spoke to Aisha Nyandoro, who works with low-income women in Mississippi and will be leading the program.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;——&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;h2&gt;Episode Transcript&lt;/h2&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Owen:&lt;/strong&gt; Hello, and welcome to the Basic Income Podcast. I’m Owen Poindexter.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jim:&lt;/strong&gt; And I’m Jim Pugh. We had some big news come out recently in the basic income space. There’s a new pilot that’s being launched right now in the United States. This one is called the Magnolia Mother’s Trust. It’s going to provide $1,000 per month with no conditions to 15 low-income families headed by African-American women based in Jackson, Mississippi. They’ll be receiving those payments over the course of one year. The pilot’s being managed by Springboard To Opportunities, which is a direct service organization that’s also based in Mississippi.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Owen:&lt;/strong&gt; To give us the lowdown on what this program is, how it got started, and what might come of it, I spoke with Aisha Nyandoro. She is the head of Springboard To Opportunities and is leading this project.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jim:&lt;/strong&gt; Here is Owen’s interview with Aisha.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Owen:&lt;/strong&gt; Aisha, thank you for joining us on the podcast.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Aisha:&lt;/strong&gt; Thank you so much for having me, Owen. I appreciate it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Owen:&lt;/strong&gt; To start, can you just tell us about Springboard To Opportunities? What its mission is and how it goes about achieving that?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Aisha:&lt;/strong&gt; Yes. Thank you. Springboard To Opportunities is a non-profit based in Mississippi, but we do work in several states throughout the country. We are a resident service provider. We provide programs and services for individuals who live in federally subsidized affordable housing to help them achieve their dreams in life, school, and work. We take a holistic approach to service delivery. That’s anything from after-school programs, to workforce training, and job placement.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We really do pride ourselves on being radically resident-driven – that’s our tag – on being radically resident-driven and really listening to the families with whom we have a pleasure of serving and making sure that we are being responsive to the needs that they tell us that they have for their families.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Owen:&lt;/strong&gt; That’s excellent. Very recently, Springboard To Opportunities made a very exciting announcement about the creation of the Magnolia Mother’s Trust. Could you tell us what that is?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Aisha:&lt;/strong&gt; Owen, you have very few opportunities in life, I feel, to do something that you think is bold and big and take a risk where you really have a chance to just put everything you believe out there on the line. That’s what the Magnolia Mother’s Trust is for us. Just to give you a little backstory about how this came to be, for the last couple of years, I’ve really been torn with the reality that the work that we’re doing at Springboard, even though it’s awesome and amazing, it really was not helping us move the needle on poverty.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We really began to do some work in examining the policies and various things that are in place as it relates to our families and realized there was a disconnect between what they actually needed and the reality of what they were receiving. Over time and time again in conversations with our families, what it was that we kept learning is that they really just needed more access to cash. That there were very few opportunities for them to get cash without there being strings attached and for them to get cash th</itunes:summary>
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                <content:encoded>Recently, we got a very exciting announcement from Springboard To Opportunities and the Economic Security Project: the two groups are collaborating to create the Magnolia Mother&amp;#39;s Trust. This program will provide an unconditional basic income to a small group of low-income African American mothers. Owen spoke to Aisha Nyandoro, who works with low-income women in Mississippi and will be leading the program.</content:encoded>
                
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                <pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2018 06:31:40 &#43;0000</pubDate>
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                <itunes:title>Running for Office on a Basic Income Platform, feat. Owen Poindexter</itunes:title>
                <title>Running for Office on a Basic Income Platform, feat. Owen Poindexter</title>

                
                
                <itunes:author>Owen Poindexter, Jim Pugh</itunes:author>
                <itunes:subtitle>In this unusual episode, Owen takes a break from cohosting and becomes a guest. Owen ran for California Assembly in this election cycle, and Jim interviews him on his experience. Owen goes into the surprises and challenges of being a first-time candidate</itunes:subtitle>
                <itunes:summary>&lt;p&gt;In this unusual episode, Owen takes a break from cohosting and becomes a guest. Owen ran for California Assembly in this election cycle, and Jim interviews him on his experience. Owen goes into the surprises and challenges of being a first-time candidate, and offers advice for anyone considering a similar move.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;——&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;h2&gt;Episode Transcript&lt;/h2&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jim:&lt;/strong&gt; Hello, and welcome to the Basic Income Podcast. I’m Jim Pugh.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This episode is going to be a bit different than our usual episodes. Typically, I’m on here with my co-host Owen, and for this episode, I’m actually going to be interviewing Owen. We haven’t talked about this before, but Owen actually spent most of the past year running for office on a basic income platform.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;He was running to join the California Assembly to represent District 15, which includes Berkeley and Oakland, and basic income was really core to his platform there. For this episode, I wanted to talk to Owen about his experiences and what implications that might have for other people who are considering running for office on a basic income platform. Owen, welcome.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Owen:&lt;/strong&gt; Thank you. Funny to be welcomed to this podcast. Good to be a guest for once.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jim:&lt;/strong&gt; Running for office is not a decision to be made lightly. That’s a big commitment, both the campaign and, if you’re elected, actually holding office. Can you just talk us through, what was it that led to your decision to run in this election?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Owen:&lt;/strong&gt; Sure, it was something that I inched toward over a month or two at least, it was something where I’d bring it up kind of semi-seriously in conversations. What really pushed me toward doing it was that I was frustrated that there is so much discussion around basic income, there seems to be a lot of momentum, a lot of excitement, but no politician or very few politicians were stepping up and adding it to their platform or trying to push legislation. Not even the full basic income, but something just kind of taking steps toward that direction.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I thought that this idea is too scary for most politicians. No one has to talk about basic income, no one’s going to lose votes because they’re not talking about basic income, and there’s so much more that we can be talking about. Nothing’s really pushing this issue into the political sphere, and so someone has to start doing it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Then my assembly seat opened up, and I thought, well, this isn’t what I was planning to do with my year necessarily, but I can do it. I have the bandwidth and the time to do this. If I’m so frustrated with other people not doing it and I have this somewhat rare opportunity, then okay, maybe I should put my money where my mouth is and step up and see how it goes.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jim:&lt;/strong&gt; Now, you must have had some expectations coming into this process about what a campaign would look like, what it would mean to actually run for office on this policy. Now that you were in this race and just– I realized we didn’t clarify, you left the race in April.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Owen:&lt;/strong&gt; Right. I didn’t quite make it to the primary. I was on the ballot, got some votes, but yes, I dropped out.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jim:&lt;/strong&gt; For your thinking when you were getting into the race and your expectations for that, what part of the campaign process matched that and what parts did not? What were the surprises that came along?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Owen:&lt;/strong&gt; Sure. A lot of it is being surprised by what you already knew. I obviously know that politicians spend a lot of time and energy fundraising, but to actually just devote days on end to that, that’s very difficult. It’s a slog. You know going in, okay, I’m going to be doing that, and then you actually do it, it’s very tough.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In terms of just organizing, trying to cre</itunes:summary>
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                <pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2018 17:34:25 &#43;0000</pubDate>
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                <itunes:title>Business, the Modern Economy, and Basic Income, feat. Floyd Marinescu</itunes:title>
                <title>Business, the Modern Economy, and Basic Income, feat. Floyd Marinescu</title>

                
                
                <itunes:author>Owen Poindexter, Jim Pugh</itunes:author>
                <itunes:subtitle>How has the economy changed over the last generation, and what do todays workers have to contend with that previous eras did not? Jim and Floyd Marinescu, CEO of C4Media, discuss these issues and more on this episode, which focuses on basic income from t</itunes:subtitle>
                <itunes:summary>&lt;p&gt;How has the economy changed over the last generation, and what do today’s workers have to contend with that previous eras did not? Jim and Floyd Marinescu, CEO of C4Media, discuss these issues and more on this episode, which focuses on basic income from the business perspective.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;——&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;h2&gt;Episode Transcript&lt;/h2&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Owen:&lt;/strong&gt; Hello, and welcome to the Basic Income Podcast. I’m Owen Poindexter.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jim:&lt;/strong&gt; And I’m Jim Pugh.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Owen:&lt;/strong&gt; We’ve looked at basic income from a number of perspectives on this podcast, but one we haven’t actually delved into as much is the business perspective.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jim:&lt;/strong&gt; Yes, there’s some interesting ways to look at basic income that doesn’t necessarily come up if you’re focusing on it solely from more of a moral or pragmatic social program perspective. To delve a bit more into this, I sat down with Floyd Marinescu. He is the founder and CEO of C4Media and has been quite a longtime advocate for basic income specifically from that business perspective.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Owen:&lt;/strong&gt; Here is Jim’s conversation with Floyd Marinescu on the Basic Income Podcast.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jim:&lt;/strong&gt; Well, Floyd, thanks for joining me on the program.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Floyd:&lt;/strong&gt; Thank you.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jim:&lt;/strong&gt; To begin, can you just tell me, how did you first get interested in basic income?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Floyd:&lt;/strong&gt; I can’t remember what the first trigger was, but I just know that when I first heard about it, I heard that there’s a way that you can solve poverty and also grow the economy, I’m like, “This is great.” I particularly became interested in it because being involved in software development, I can see what’s coming down the line with artificial intelligence and machine learning.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I also have a personal story along about globalization with my father and uncle. They lost their jobs in manufacturing in Ontario where Toronto is when China entered the global trade market in the 2000s. They could never have seen that coming. They had no idea. I remember one time I was at a barbecue with them when I was 17 wondering what I should do with my career, and they were like, “You should go into tool and die manufacturing because we’ll always need more metal parts.” I chose computer science.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Five years later, both of them are out of work because the industry contracted significantly. I think I became really worried because I see the same dynamic playing out now, both in terms of globalization and automation, and that’s what really got me more urgently interested in basic income.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jim:&lt;/strong&gt; It’s interesting, and I feel like typically when you talk about any sort of social program, advocates tend to have a personal story that reflects, “Oh, I had this particular challenge growing up. We didn’t have enough money for food. We were dealing with some sort of housing crisis,” and that’s a motivator here. It’s interesting, it seems like in the basic income is space you actually have people who are engaged in some of this technology work, and that is really the personal story. It’s seeing how either of themselves or someone they know well that the changing nature of work has already affected them.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Floyd:&lt;/strong&gt; Well, there is that personal story for me as well. We grew up pretty poor and working class, and money was always a source of tension, sometimes even toxicity in arguments. I wish there was a basic income so that there had been more equality in my family and there would have been less tension. I personally can feel the fact that it seems like the economy is sliding in the wrong direction for more than half the population and their children will be going through what I went through. That’s definitely at an energy level somet</itunes:summary>
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                <content:encoded>How has the economy changed over the last generation, and what do today&amp;#39;s workers have to contend with that previous eras did not? Jim and Floyd Marinescu, CEO of C4Media, discuss these issues and more on this episode, which focuses on basic income from the business perspective.</content:encoded>
                
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                <pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2018 19:45:27 &#43;0000</pubDate>
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                <itunes:title>What’s Happening with the Ontario Basic Income Program, feat. Sheila Regehr</itunes:title>
                <title>What’s Happening with the Ontario Basic Income Program, feat. Sheila Regehr</title>

                
                
                <itunes:author>Owen Poindexter, Jim Pugh</itunes:author>
                <itunes:subtitle>Recently we got the unfortunate news that the new administration in Ontario plans on cancelling the current basic income trials. At the time of publishing, the program is still happening, and political pressure on the Ontario government may be quite valu</itunes:subtitle>
                <itunes:summary>&lt;p&gt;Recently we got the unfortunate news that the new administration in Ontario plans on cancelling the current basic income trials. At the time of publishing, the program is still happening, and political pressure on the Ontario government may be quite valuable right now. Jim talked with Basic Income Canada Network Chairperson Sheila Regehr about what’s happening with the pilot and what people can do to push back against its cancellation.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;——&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;h2&gt;Episode Transcript&lt;/h2&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Owen:&lt;/strong&gt; Hello, and welcome to the Basic Income Podcast. I’m Owen Poindexter.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jim:&lt;/strong&gt; And I’m Jim Pugh.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Owen:&lt;/strong&gt; We have talked a few times about the very exciting pilot going on in Ontario, up in Canada, to pilot basic income there. Just recently, we got some unfortunate news that the new administration in Ontario is planning on shutting the pilot down.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jim:&lt;/strong&gt; Now, there’s a lot happening in response to this announcement, and so we thought it be good to provide you all with more information about what’s going on. I was able to sit down with Sheila Regehr, who’s the Chairperson of the Basic Income Canada Network, to get information from her on what’s the situation on the ground.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Owen:&lt;/strong&gt; Here is Jim’s conversation with Sheila Regehr.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jim:&lt;/strong&gt; Sheila, thanks for joining us on the podcast.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Sheila:&lt;/strong&gt; Thank you.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jim:&lt;/strong&gt; We’ve talked a bit about the Ontario pilot in the past, but just to make sure all of our listeners are up to date, can you generally explain what was happening with the pilot and what was going into that prior to the announcement last week?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Sheila:&lt;/strong&gt; The idea for the pilot, the way the Ontario government set it up — we can talk about what the design of it actually looks like — but essentially they were doing a Negative Income Tax type of model where recipients would receive about $17,000 at a maximum for a single person, and that gets you close to the poverty line in Canada but not quite there, and then proportionately more than that for couples.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There were three major pilot site areas that they decided to test it on. One is the Hamilton-Brantford area, that’s fairly close to where I live in Toronto. Another one was Lindsay, which is interesting because it’s a smaller community, has some rural population as well. Another one in Thunder Bay, which is interesting because it has a fairly high proportion of indigenous people in that community.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Different communities so that we get a different sense of things. The Lindsay segment, in particular, was where about 2,000 of the overall 4,000 recipients would be, so it comes as close as we can to what would be called the kind of saturation site that we saw in Dauphin, Manitoba, here in Canada, in the 1970s.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That’s it in a nutshell. Things got started last year. The rollout was a bit slow. It wasn’t as easy getting people to participate in this study as the government intended at first, but they had a lot of information sessions. They worked with community organizations. They gradually got people on. They staggered the commencement so that Hamilton area people were first.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The first of those people started getting checks in the fall of last year. Then, they decided — there were a few wrinkles, bugs in the system, and a few lessons learned already that they work out, and then Lindsay was started a little bit after that.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m not sure about the timing of Thunder Bay, but the last people to join the pilot in Lindsay only came on like maybe three months ago.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jim:&lt;/strong&gt; There’s already been a number of people who have been receiving benefits, and as you said, some for close to a year now it sounds like at this point.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Sheila:&lt;/strong&gt; Yes,</itunes:summary>
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                <content:encoded>Recently we got the unfortunate news that the new administration in Ontario plans on cancelling the current basic income trials. At the time of publishing, the program is still happening, and political pressure on the Ontario government may be quite valuable right now. Jim talked with Basic Income Canada Network Chairperson Sheila Regehr about what&amp;#39;s happening with the pilot and what people can do to push back against its cancellation.</content:encoded>
                
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                <pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2018 21:23:20 &#43;0000</pubDate>
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                <itunes:title>Combining Basic Income with a Jobs Guarantee, feat. Alyssa Battistoni</itunes:title>
                <title>Combining Basic Income with a Jobs Guarantee, feat. Alyssa Battistoni</title>

                
                
                <itunes:author>Owen Poindexter, Jim Pugh</itunes:author>
                <itunes:subtitle>Basic income and jobs guarantee are often juxtaposed as two policies that are mutually exclusive, politically or policy-wise. Alyssa Battistoni, writing for In These Times, suggests that both are worth fighting for, and that the two policies could work i</itunes:subtitle>
                <itunes:summary>&lt;p&gt;Basic income and jobs guarantee are often juxtaposed as two policies that are mutually exclusive, politically or policy-wise. Alyssa Battistoni, writing for In These Times, suggests that both are worth fighting for, and that the two policies could work in concert. Battistoni, a PhD student at Yale in Political Theory and editorial board member of Jacobin, spoke with Jim on how these two policies might work together.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;——&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;h2&gt;Episode Transcript&lt;/h2&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Owen:&lt;/strong&gt; Hello, and welcome to the Basic Income podcast. I’m Owen Poindexter.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jim:&lt;/strong&gt; And I’m Jim Pugh. Many of you have probably heard a lot recently about the idea of a job guarantee: a proposal where, rather than just giving people cash, the government would actually provide them with some sort of decent job that gives them a good wage and good benefits. There’s been more discussion about that from some Democratic candidates running for office, and the idea does seem to be picking up some steam.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Owen:&lt;/strong&gt; Jim had a conversation with Alyssa Battistoni, a PhD student at Yale and contributor to Dissent, n&#43;1, and Jacobin, on the idea that a jobs guarantee and a basic income are not necessarily mutually oppositional. Here’s Jim’s conversation with Alyssa Battistoni.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jim:&lt;/strong&gt; Alyssa, thanks for joining us on the podcast.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Alyssa:&lt;/strong&gt; Thanks for having me.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jim:&lt;/strong&gt; There’s been an increasingly heated debate over the last few years between the ideas of universal basic income — providing everyone with unconditional cash at a level sufficient to bring them above the poverty line — and the idea of a job guarantee program, which would aim to provide a job with a living wage and decent benefits to any person in the country who wanted one. People generally seem to view these as two competing proposals for how to guarantee economic security to everyone.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You recently wrote a piece for In These Times that propose a combination of the two might actually be the best of both worlds. Can you walk us through your thinking there around the hybrid proposal?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Alyssa:&lt;/strong&gt; Sure. As you say, the job guarantee/basic income debate has become a very contentious debate on the left, and these are rival ideas of how to solve the problem of unemployment, particularly after 2008 and the rise in unemployment that resulted. There are sometimes phrases: “full employment” as the job guarantee proposal or “full unemployment” being the UBI where people say, “There’s not work to do, we would we just make jobs?”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It’s always seemed to me that these are proposals that are trying to address the same problem essentially and that there are a lot of things that could be more complimentary, it doesn’t have to be completely opposed. I think there are a few ways to think about that. In the In These Times debate, there was one proposal for, one set of authors making a case for the job guarantee then another author making a case for basic income.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The case for basic income in that instance, this is Matt Bruenig arguing that UBI is a good thing. His version of the UBI is not intended as an income replacement or to be at the level of a full– to basically provide a full income to everybody. That’s premised on a more claim– the UBI is like a claim to public resources.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Obviously, the most famous example of this is the Alaska Permanent Fund, which always comes up in UBI debates. Matt Bruenig says everyone should have a claim to national resources of whatever kind. The most prominent examples are typically oil, gas, and mineral resources.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That’s actually something that I have a complaint with because I come to this from the prospect of thinking about environmental issues, climate change and wanting to use political economy and economic programs to address</itunes:summary>
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                <content:encoded>Basic income and jobs guarantee are often juxtaposed as two policies that are mutually exclusive, politically or policy-wise. Alyssa Battistoni, writing for In These Times, suggests that both are worth fighting for, and that the two policies could work in concert. Battistoni, a PhD student at Yale in Political Theory and editorial board member of Jacobin, spoke with Jim on how these two policies might work together.</content:encoded>
                
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                <itunes:title>Bringing UBI into the Public Discourse, feat. Annie Lowrey</itunes:title>
                <title>Bringing UBI into the Public Discourse, feat. Annie Lowrey</title>

                
                
                <itunes:author>Owen Poindexter, Jim Pugh</itunes:author>
                <itunes:subtitle>Annie Lowrey, Contributing Editor at the Atlantic, has caused a buzz with her new book Give People Money: How a Universal Basic Income Would End Poverty, Revolutionize Work, and Remake the World. In addition to the book itself, she has furthered the conv</itunes:subtitle>
                <itunes:summary>&lt;p&gt;Annie Lowrey, Contributing Editor at the Atlantic, has caused a buzz with her new book “Give People Money: How a Universal Basic Income Would End Poverty, Revolutionize Work, and Remake the World.” In addition to the book itself, she has furthered the conversation with a recent New York Times op-ed and an appearance on The Daily Show with Trevor Noah. She joined the podcast to discuss her book and the reactions it’s received.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;——&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;h2&gt;Episode Transcript&lt;/h2&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Owen:&lt;/strong&gt; Hello, and welcome to the Basic Income Podcast. I’m Owen Poindexter.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jim:&lt;/strong&gt; And I’m Jim Pugh.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;One big recent development in the basic income space was the release of a new book. &lt;em&gt;Give People Money: How A Universal Basic Income Would End Poverty, Revolutionize Work, And Remake The World&lt;/em&gt; is a new book from Annie Lowrey. We’ve had Annie on the past talking about some of the journalistic work that she did around the GiveDirectly experiments in Kenya, but this book is making quite a splash. We thought it might make sense to talk to her again and hear a bit more about her experience with that, and what thinking went into it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Owen:&lt;/strong&gt; Here for the second time on the podcast is Annie Lowrey. She’s a Contributing Editor at The Atlantic and author of &lt;em&gt;Give People Money&lt;/em&gt;. Welcome, Annie.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Annie:&lt;/strong&gt; Thanks so much for having me back, guys.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Owen:&lt;/strong&gt; Yes, I should mention you are, I think, our first repeat guest ever on the podcast, so that’s kind of cool too.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Annie:&lt;/strong&gt; I am honored.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Owen:&lt;/strong&gt; By writing this book, you are now very publicly identified with the basic income movement. What made you decide to throw your full weight behind basic income?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Annie:&lt;/strong&gt; I think as you guys know and folks who read the book, although I feel like the listeners of your podcasts are so probably deep in the weeds on this that there’s not too much you can possibly tell them about it, but there had been a number of things that were written about basic income from an argued perspective. People who are really concerned about technological unemployment, really concerned about stronger anti-poverty measures, or looking at it from a green perspective, or even like a philosophical perspective.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The idea was to do a journalistic look on for folks who maybe have heard of it but didn’t know much about it, maybe had never heard of it. To write for a more generalized audience. As you guys know, and I’ve covered extensively, there’s just so much interest. I feel like it’s like every day or every week you hear about a new proposal, a new pilot, something going forward. It just feels like there’s just so much momentum behind it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That’s a really fun thing. Very often economic policy is kind of a really slow burn. To see something rapidly developing in this way is really exciting and really fun to watch.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jim:&lt;/strong&gt; On a related note, talking about some of the past books that folks have written on basic income, often times the titles are more broad value statements, something like “Fair Shot” or “In Our Hands.” You went very direct: “Give People Money”. I’m curious, was that tied into thinking about who your audience was here? I’m curious what led to that decision.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Annie:&lt;/strong&gt; Yes, I think that there in the United States is so much kind of– there’s almost like a philosophical objection to this idea that the government should ever just give people money despite the fact that through how many hundreds of programs in a lot of cases that is what it should do or is doing. Despite the evidence that in a lot of cases that is what it should be doing, as opposed to giving them in-kind benefits.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I feel like it just gets</itunes:summary>
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                <content:encoded>Annie Lowrey, Contributing Editor at the Atlantic, has caused a buzz with her new book &amp;#34;Give People Money: How a Universal Basic Income Would End Poverty, Revolutionize Work, and Remake the World.&amp;#34; In addition to the book itself, she has furthered the conversation with a recent New York Times op-ed and an appearance on The Daily Show with Trevor Noah. She joined the podcast to discuss her book and the reactions it&amp;#39;s received.</content:encoded>
                
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                <pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2018 19:08:27 &#43;0000</pubDate>
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                <itunes:title>The Emerging Economy feat. Zipcar Cofounder Robin Chase (Rebroadcast)</itunes:title>
                <title>The Emerging Economy feat. Zipcar Cofounder Robin Chase (Rebroadcast)</title>

                
                
                <itunes:author>Owen Poindexter, Jim Pugh</itunes:author>
                <itunes:subtitle>We are watching the economy change before our eyes, and Zipcar Cofounder Robin Chase has been at the forefront of that change. She gives her observations on the platform economy, automation, self-driving cars, and how a basic income could be what smoothe</itunes:subtitle>
                <itunes:summary>&lt;p&gt;We are watching the economy change before our eyes, and Zipcar Cofounder Robin Chase has been at the forefront of that change. She gives her observations on the platform economy, automation, self-driving cars, and how a basic income could be what smoothes the transition as we move to a different type of relationship between people and their work. This is a rebroadcast of a previous episode, and the final rebroadcast in this series. New episodes coming next week.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;——&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;h2&gt;Episode Transcript&lt;/h2&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Owen:&lt;/strong&gt; Hello, and welcome to the Basic Income Podcast. I’m Owen Poindexter.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jim:&lt;/strong&gt; And I’m Jim Pugh. When people think about basic income, they often tie it to some future scenario where automation has drastically affected the way that the people work. But just thinking about how technology affects work is not something limited to the future — it’s actually something that exists today.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Owen:&lt;/strong&gt; I feel like automation and just the way that technology impacts employment and how people relate economically is something that comes on much more slowly than people tend to appreciate. And the self-driving cars may be a perfect example.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We think of them as this kind of futuristic thing that’s going to be a whole new product that looks pretty unlike what we have today. However, we’ve got automatic transmission, cruise control, a lot of cars have lane-keeping right now where it automatically stays in your lane, self-parking. The same kind of thing happens with the economy where recently more and more we have shared resources, the collaborative economy, the sharing economy. These are slowly chipping away at the legacy structures that have existed for decades.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jim:&lt;/strong&gt; There’s more and more companies out there that are adopting new approaches to the way that they employ people and the way that, really the conception of what a worker is. The people who are working in these companies really have a first-hand experience as to seeing what’s happening here and what impact it’s having on people’s lives and the economy at large.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Owen:&lt;/strong&gt; This week, we are very lucky to have someone who’s at the forefront of the new economy. Robin Chase is co-founder and former CEO of Zipcar and author of Peers Inc. Welcome, Robin.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Robin:&lt;/strong&gt; It’s a pleasure to be here.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jim:&lt;/strong&gt; To start with, Robin, can you tell us a bit about what first got you interested in universal basic income?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Robin:&lt;/strong&gt; When I was writing this book Peers Inc, I was thinking a lot about, I would say, the platform economy. I was understanding from a trend basis and from economic basis that everything that can become a platform will become a platform. That the outsourcing of workers — and I say that in a kind of negative way — is incredibly economically compelling. That companies that think of themselves as platforms grow faster, they learn faster, they are hyper-adaptive and hyper-localized. They’re very hard to beat. So if your company can take that shape, you’re going to take that shape.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We’re seeing it today. I was looking at something that was the top 50 innovative companies in the world. I would say 98% of them are what I would consider to be Peers Inc companies. Companies that are based on a platform with this satellite of assets that are outside of them. Once you understand that trend and internalize that trend, it says, “Whoa, oh my god.” We have completely structured our economy on the idea that people work full-time and get benefits full-time.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The fact is, I don’t know if that was ever true, maybe it was true in 1940, but it is not the economy that we’re seeing today. Our social safety nets and workplace rules have been tied around this aging idea, outdated idea of what work looks like and that is not the future. I’ve realized we really need to have a universal basic income.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I wo</itunes:summary>
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                <pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2018 21:10:04 &#43;0000</pubDate>
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                <itunes:title>Basic Income Q&amp;A: How to Pay for It, Which Country Will Go First, and More (Rebroadcast)</itunes:title>
                <title>Basic Income Q&amp;A: How to Pay for It, Which Country Will Go First, and More (Rebroadcast)</title>

                
                
                <itunes:author>Owen Poindexter, Jim Pugh</itunes:author>
                <itunes:subtitle>In this episode, which initially aired last October, Jim and Owen answer listener questions from how to pay for basic income, which country will implement a basic income first and how we will get there. You can send your questions to the Universal Income</itunes:subtitle>
                <itunes:summary>&lt;p&gt;In this episode, which initially aired last October, Jim and Owen answer listener questions from how to pay for basic income, which country will implement a basic income first and how we will get there. You can send your questions to the Universal Income Project on &lt;a href=&#34;https://www.facebook.com/universalincome/&#34; rel=&#34;nofollow&#34;&gt;Facebook&lt;/a&gt; or &lt;a href=&#34;https://twitter.com/UIProj&#34; rel=&#34;nofollow&#34;&gt;Twitter&lt;/a&gt;, or tweet at Owen (&lt;a href=&#34;https://twitter.com/owenpoindexter&#34; rel=&#34;nofollow&#34;&gt;@owenpoindexter&lt;/a&gt;) or Jim (&lt;a href=&#34;https://twitter.com/dr_pugh&#34; rel=&#34;nofollow&#34;&gt;@dr_pugh&lt;/a&gt;).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;——&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;h2&gt;Episode Transcript&lt;/h2&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Owen:&lt;/strong&gt; Hello and welcome to the Basic Income Podcast. I’m Owen Poindexter.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jim:&lt;/strong&gt; And I’m Jim Pugh.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Owen:&lt;/strong&gt; A while back we asked you for questions about the basic income, and a number of you responded. In this episode, we are just going to go through a few of those.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jim:&lt;/strong&gt; Unfortunately, we’re not going to be able to get to everyone’s question, but we did have a few that we thought would be good ones to start with. Here goes.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Owen:&lt;/strong&gt; Alright. The first one is from Abigail Irwin, it came in through Facebook, “Here is the one big question I keep getting: how is it going to be funded?”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jim:&lt;/strong&gt; I would say for me as well, this is a question that people ask all the time. Since we’re talking about such a big program, people are naturally curious about, “Alright, where does the funding come from here?” One thing that I’ve mentioned before that I think is really important to remember is a lot of the conceptions we have right now about what the government “can or cannot afford” are really not based on reality.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That if you look at our economy and how much it’s grown over recent years, there’s actually so much money out there. Our Gross Domestic Product over the last 15 years has grown by four trillion dollars. Just taking a big picture snapshot, it’s important to know that there is money out there.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Owen:&lt;/strong&gt; Yes and on top of that, I’ll say that while I think it’s important to talk about how are we going to pay for things, the government is very willing to drop billions of dollars on some programs without having this discussion. It’s only around new big programs where we do say, “Okay, well, where is that money going to come from because we haven’t already baked that in.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jim:&lt;/strong&gt; We do see often around things like military spending, spending tens of billions of dollars ready at the drop of a hat is not uncommon, but as soon as we talk about billions or even hundreds of millions of dollars for social programs, people suddenly get very nervous about how we’re going to actually afford that.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Owen:&lt;/strong&gt; And getting more into, “okay, how is it going to be funded?” — obviously, there are a number of ways you could do it. If you structure it as a negative income tax, you could just have a tax that runs backwards essentially. At a certain income level, you receive money instead of pay money in. That’s one way to do it where you don’t have to touch anything else.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jim:&lt;/strong&gt; Something I would add to that is, with negative income tax, one concern that I know people have is that if you’re actually not giving the same amount to different people, that could complicate the logistics figuring out, “alright, how do we actually assess someone’s income in the moment and decide alright, how big is the check we mail to them?” You can actually accomplish exactly the same thing using the tax code. You can structure it so that you give everyone the same amount of money every month regardless of how much they’re making but then make sure that you’re actually clawing back more of that money earlier on, based on how much they’re making when you’re actually assessing taxes. The same way you do now as far as withholding from paychecks.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Owen:&lt;/strong&gt; Right, and just</itunes:summary>
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                <content:encoded>In this episode, which initially aired last October, Jim and Owen answer listener questions from how to pay for basic income, which country will implement a basic income first and how we will get there. You can send your questions to the Universal Income Project on &lt;a href=&#34;https://www.facebook.com/universalincome/&#34; rel=&#34;nofollow&#34;&gt;Facebook&lt;/a&gt; or &lt;a href=&#34;https://twitter.com/UIProj&#34; rel=&#34;nofollow&#34;&gt;Twitter&lt;/a&gt;, or tweet at Owen (&lt;a href=&#34;https://twitter.com/owenpoindexter&#34; rel=&#34;nofollow&#34;&gt;@owenpoindexter&lt;/a&gt;) or Jim (&lt;a href=&#34;https://twitter.com/dr_pugh&#34; rel=&#34;nofollow&#34;&gt;@dr_pugh&lt;/a&gt;).</content:encoded>
                
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                <pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2018 23:13:07 &#43;0000</pubDate>
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                <itunes:title>Comparing Basic Income and a Federal Jobs Guarantee, feat. Jared Bernstein (Rebroadcast)</itunes:title>
                <title>Comparing Basic Income and a Federal Jobs Guarantee, feat. Jared Bernstein (Rebroadcast)</title>

                
                
                <itunes:author>Owen Poindexter, Jim Pugh</itunes:author>
                <itunes:subtitle>Jim continues the discussion started on the Intelligence Squared debate over basic income with Jared Bernstein, who argued against the basic income. Bernstein explains various concerns he has with the concept, focusing on existing social programs, and a</itunes:subtitle>
                <itunes:summary>&lt;p&gt;Jim continues the discussion started on the Intelligence Squared debate over basic income with Jared Bernstein, who argued against the basic income. Bernstein explains various concerns he has with the concept, focusing on existing social programs, and a similarly radical proposal: a jobs guarantee. Bernstein is a Senior Fellow at the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities and served as Chief Economist and Economic Adviser to Vice President Joseph Biden from 2009-2011.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;———-&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;h2&gt;Episode Transcript&lt;/h2&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Owen:&lt;/strong&gt; Hello, and welcome to the Basic Income Podcast. I’m Owen Poindexter.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jim:&lt;/strong&gt; And I’m Jim Pugh.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Owen:&lt;/strong&gt; In every episode we’ve done, whether we’re talking to an artist, a politician, an activist, everyone has been a supporter of the basic income. But this week, we actually have a dissenter.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jim:&lt;/strong&gt; A couple months back, there was a debate on basic income that was organized by Intelligence Squared. It put Andy Stern and Charles Murray arguing for basic income up against Jared Bernstein and Jason Furman argument against it. Most of the debate focused on the pros and cons of universal basic income, but one thing that popped up was Jared Bernstein mentioned that he was actually a fan of a jobs guarantee program, which would be another ambitious plan that falls pretty far outside of the scope of the legislation that has been considered in the US, also aimed at providing economic security, but looking different than something like an unconditional basic income.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Owen:&lt;/strong&gt; Jim sat down with Jared Bernstein and discussed their feelings on the basic income and the jobs guarantee and a bunch of other topics. From my listening, I found that Jared Bernstein has a lot of the same goals and a lot of the same perspectives as people in the basic income movement but comes at them from something of a different angle and different experience and that comes out in the conversation. Without further ado, this is Jim Pugh and Jared Bernstein on the Basic Income Podcast.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jim:&lt;/strong&gt; I am here with Jared Bernstein, a Senior Fellow at the Center for Budget and Policy Priorities. Jared, thank you for joining us.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jared:&lt;/strong&gt; Thanks for inviting me.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jim:&lt;/strong&gt; Many of our listeners may have seen the basic income debate that was held by Intelligence Squared back in March between Andy Stern and Charles Murray arguing for a basic income as the social safety net of the future, and then you and Jason Furman arguing against that idea. One of the things you mentioned there was the idea of a jobs guarantee program in the US. I’m just curious, can you tell us a little bit more about how you think a program like that might work?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jared:&lt;/strong&gt; Well, sure. Let me start by saying a little bit about why I think we need it. As we speak, the unemployment rate is quite low nationally. It’s 4.4% and most economists, and I’m someone who thinks about the questions of full employment a lot, will tell you that’s full employment. That’s certainly what the Federal Reserve would say. In fact, we know that there are pockets of weak labor demand where even at a low national unemployment rate, there are parts of the country where people can’t find enough work. I’ve observed that even at full employment, sometimes, the labor demand is insufficient.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You need to think about a program to fill that gap. The way I think of it is we all agree or at least the economics community agrees that when credit markets freeze up, you need a lender of last resort, and that’s the federal reserve. Well, when the job market fails to provide adequate opportunities for all of commerce, I think you need a job creator of last resort. There’s a couple of different ways to do that which I can get into in a minute. I just wanted to give you that motivation first.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jim:&lt;/strong&gt; I know, I’m based o</itunes:summary>
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                <content:encoded>Jim continues the discussion started on the Intelligence Squared debate over basic income with Jared Bernstein, who argued against the basic income. Bernstein explains various concerns he has with the concept, focusing on existing social programs, and a similarly radical proposal: a jobs guarantee. Bernstein is a Senior Fellow at the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities and served as Chief Economist and Economic Adviser to Vice President Joseph Biden from 2009-2011.</content:encoded>
                
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                <itunes:title>Basic Income vs. The Status Quo (Rebroadcast)</itunes:title>
                <title>Basic Income vs. The Status Quo (Rebroadcast)</title>

                
                
                <itunes:author>Owen Poindexter, Jim Pugh</itunes:author>
                <itunes:subtitle>Most arguments against the basic income can be summed up in two words: “status quo.” Owen and Jim explore the thinking behind some of the most common objections to the basic income and why these arguments are understandable but ultimately shortsighted.</itunes:subtitle>
                <itunes:summary>&lt;p&gt;Most arguments against the basic income can be summed up in two words: “status quo.” Owen and Jim explore the thinking behind some of the most common objections to the basic income and why these arguments are understandable but ultimately shortsighted. This is a rebroadcast of a previous episode. New episodes will resume in mid-July.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;——&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;h2&gt;Episode Transcript&lt;/h2&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Owen:&lt;/strong&gt; Hello, and welcome to the Basic Income Podcast. I’m Owen Poindexter.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jim:&lt;/strong&gt; And I’m Jim Pugh. Today, we are going to be having a discussion episode.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Owen:&lt;/strong&gt; We’re going to be tackling some of the issues around how the basic income bumps up against the status quo.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jim:&lt;/strong&gt; I really see status quo broadly as one of the biggest obstacles. When I talk to people about basic income usually with a long conversation, once they get past some initial hurdles, they think if not that is a great idea, at least, that the idea has some merit for further exploration.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Owen:&lt;/strong&gt; Yes, in fact, I think you could sum up almost every objection to the basic income with the word status quo just with different details inserted based on who’s doing the talking.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jim:&lt;/strong&gt; We’re going to try to delve into some of the key areas where it seems like status quo thinking is really creating a barrier to people accepting or even sometimes recognizing how the idea could actually be really helpful.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;One of the first ones that I have seen often is those people who have more of an incremental vision on how policy progresses thinking that the way we’re going to make progress is by making small tweaks to the programs we have today, rather than exploring big new ideas that very much differ from what we have right now.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Owen:&lt;/strong&gt; Honestly, I think we saw this in the last election. There is a strong political appeal to big wholesale ideas that present a vision that is very clear and is maybe different from what we have right now.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jim:&lt;/strong&gt; I think if you’ve been particularly operating in Washington for the last 5, 10, 20 years, just because there hasn’t been an opportunity to implement big policy, it’s very easy to get caught up in the thinking that that will persist indefinitely.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Owen:&lt;/strong&gt; One of the first things I hear is like, “Well, sounds like a nice idea, but that’ll never pass Congress.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jim:&lt;/strong&gt; Yes, exactly. I think one of the recent examples that really stood out is, for those of our listeners who saw the Intelligence Squared debate between Andy Stern and Charles Murray arguing for basic income against Jared Bernstein and Jason Furman, both economists from the Obama administration. If you looked at the arguments that were being made almost all of them boil down to, “This is too big. We have to come at these problems in smaller ways that more resemble what we have today, and that something as radical as what you’re proposing just doesn’t make sense.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Owen:&lt;/strong&gt; Right, because most people aren’t thinking like, “Okay, what politically could be accomplished in 10, 20 years.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jim:&lt;/strong&gt; I will say that I have noticed a pretty marked shift in recent months that seemed to coincide and likely be caused by the November elections. I think that’s a lot of, what was standard conventional wisdom leading up to that got thrown out the window, and suddenly, a whole lot more people are willing to consider that maybe some things that are much different than they are today might actually be quite possible.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Owen:&lt;/strong&gt; One thing that we should keep in mind is that even though yes, there is this grand vision of a universal unconditional basic income, you will still have to have stepping stone policies along the way. For instance, we’re currently very excited about the trials going on in Canada or that are about to start in Ontario,</itunes:summary>
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                <pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2018 08:06:21 &#43;0000</pubDate>
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                <itunes:title>MacArthur Fellow Ai-jen Poo on What Basic Income Would Mean to Domestic Workers (Rebroadcast)</itunes:title>
                <title>MacArthur Fellow Ai-jen Poo on What Basic Income Would Mean to Domestic Workers (Rebroadcast)</title>

                
                
                <itunes:author>Owen Poindexter, Jim Pugh</itunes:author>
                <itunes:subtitle>Ai-jen Poo, Director of the National Domestic Workers Alliance, Co-director of Caring Across Generations, and MacArthur Genius Award recipient discusses the challenges faced by domestic workers in the U.S. and how a basic income could dramatically change</itunes:subtitle>
                <itunes:summary>&lt;div&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Ai-jen Poo, Director of the National Domestic Workers Alliance, Co-director of Caring Across Generations, and MacArthur Genius Award recipient discusses the challenges faced by domestic workers in the U.S. and how a basic income could dramatically change things in that space.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;——&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;h2&gt;Episode Transcript&lt;/h2&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Owen:&lt;/strong&gt; Hello, and welcome to the Basic Income Podcast. I’m Owen Poindexter.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jim:&lt;/strong&gt; And I’m Jim Pugh.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Owen:&lt;/strong&gt; Our guest this week is Ai-jen Poo. She’s the executive director of the National Domestic Workers Alliance, recipient of the MacArthur Genius Grant, and co-director of Caring Across Generations. Welcome, Ai-jen.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Ai-jen:&lt;/strong&gt; Thank you, great to be with you.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Owen:&lt;/strong&gt; Why don’t you start by telling us about the National Domestic Workers Alliance and the work you do there?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Ai-jen:&lt;/strong&gt; Sure. My work is alongside the millions of workers, mostly women, who go to work every day in our homes, and they care for some of the most important parts of our lives, our kids, our aging loved ones in our homes. They make it possible for millions of us to go to work every day knowing that our families are in good hands. Our work is really about making sure that this work is valued, respected, and protected, and, for the millions of workers who do this work, to be able to know that these jobs are good jobs with family-sustaining incomes and jobs that you can really take pride in and support your family on and one generation can do better than the next.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Now one of the things that started happening about five years ago is we started realizing that this workforce is growing at an incredibly rapid pace and that has to do with some pretty major trends in our demographics and in families and in our workforce.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;To be clear about what those are, essentially the Baby Boomer generation which is this massive generation, culture-driving generation is aging rapidly at a rate of four million people per year turning 70 and also living longer than ever before because of advances in healthcare and technology. Then the Millennial generation which is the largest generation in history and most diverse, by the way, is also starting to have families of their own, turning 35, and having four million babies per year.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We suddenly need more care than ever before and therefore a stronger caregiving workforce. My work has been, especially now that we’ve launched this Caring Across Generations effort, it’s about creating the kind of solutions that allow for families to afford and have access to good care while making sure that the workforce that does the care has the respect and the kinds of quality jobs they deserve.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jim:&lt;/strong&gt; Can you tell us a bit about what are some of the biggest challenges that are facing domestic workers today?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Ai-jen:&lt;/strong&gt; Sure. We still in the 21st century, have a hard time really treating this work as real work. It’s oftentimes referred to as help or companionship, and what that results in is this way in which this work remains in the shadows. Despite it being a real profession for millions of people, it’s treated as less than real work and that limits our ability to get access to the kinds of training and benefits and security that we deserve, and it certainly is reflected in the wages.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;A lot of people don’t realize this, but for example, for the home care workforce which cares for the elderly and people with disabilities, the annual median income for a homecare worker is $13,000 per year. That is so far from a family-sustaining wage and so you think about these millions of workers who are working incredibly hard, doing incredibly important work, and earning poverty wages. That’s the lot for so much of our workforce.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jim:&lt;/strong&gt; Can you tell us a little bit about some of the campaigns that you’ve b</itunes:summary>
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                <pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2018 22:28:39 &#43;0000</pubDate>
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                <itunes:title>Momentum Toward Basic Income in Scotland, feat. Jamie Cooke</itunes:title>
                <title>Momentum Toward Basic Income in Scotland, feat. Jamie Cooke</title>

                
                
                <itunes:author>Owen Poindexter, Jim Pugh</itunes:author>
                <itunes:subtitle>Momentum is building in Scotland to explore basic income as a policy that can be a centerpiece of the modern social contract. While automation is often mentioned as a catalyzing force in the basic income discussion, Scotland is looking at the policy more</itunes:subtitle>
                <itunes:summary>&lt;p&gt;Momentum is building in Scotland to explore basic income as a policy that can be a centerpiece of the modern social contract. While automation is often mentioned as a catalyzing force in the basic income discussion, Scotland is looking at the policy more from a social justice angle. In this episode, Owen interviews the Head of RSA Scotland and Board Member of Citizens Basic Income Network Scotland, Jamie Cooke.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;——&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;h2&gt;Episode Transcript&lt;/h2&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Owen:&lt;/strong&gt; Hello, and welcome to the Basic Income Podcast. I’m Owen Poindexter.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jim:&lt;/strong&gt; And I’m Jim Pugh. One of the countries where there’s actually been quite a lot of progress around basic income is Scotland. There’s been a lot of political development, people are talking about new ideas, but it’s been a bit difficult to actually follow everything going on from the media reporting around what’s happening there.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Owen:&lt;/strong&gt; To get an actual sense of what’s going on on the ground, I got a chance to interview Jamie Cook. He is the head of RSA Scotland and sits on the board of Citizens Basic Income Earth network in Scotland. Here is my conversation with Jamie Cook. Welcome, Jamie.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jamie:&lt;/strong&gt; Thank you for having me on.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Owen:&lt;/strong&gt; To start, can you just tell us about the work of RSA Scotland?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jamie:&lt;/strong&gt; Sure. So we’re an international think and do tank. We’ve got a presence in about 90 countries around the world. Headquarters down in London, between 90,000 fellows in different parts of the world, and covering a broad range of different topics and ideas that we’re looking at. Particularly around civic impact, and how we can not just think about things but actually make a difference with it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Which I suppose is partly where we’ve become particularly interested in ideas around the economy, the future of work, artificial intelligence and automation and obviously connecting all of those really, basic income.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Owen:&lt;/strong&gt; Of course we’ll get into that in a moment, but first I’d just love it if you could ground us a little bit in the general political climate in Scotland. What’s that like these days?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jamie:&lt;/strong&gt; It’s really interesting time we have here. Obviously, 2014, we had a referendum on Scottish independence which the new vote, so the vote stay in the United Kingdom, won by 55% to 45%. Since then, we’ve had quite an interesting political context I suppose. The Scottish National Party are very much the dominant political force in Scotland controlling Scottish Government and most leaders of political representation. I think there was a feeling that perhaps after the referendum that was once in a generation votes and therefore we would go into a different context.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The referendum in European Union membership that we took, and obviously the fact that the United Kingdom has voted to leave the EU whatever that may end up looking like, at the same time as Scotland actually across every single local authority area voted to stay in the EU, I think created quite a different context. Again, showed a bit of a disconnect between the politics and the discussions in Scotland and the rest of the United Kingdom. That’s really kind of kick-started some of the debate again around Scotland’s constitutional future.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Just now, we’re at a position where we’ve just had the launch of a new growth commission by the Scottish National Party and Scottish government looking at what the economics of an independent Scotland could look like. I think very much signaling the beginning of at least a new discussion around Scotland’s constitutional future. At this stage I think it’s Brexit is so chaotic, and we’re not quite sure where it’s going.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m not entirely sure anyone knows what’s going to be th</itunes:summary>
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                <content:encoded>Momentum is building in Scotland to explore basic income as a policy that can be a centerpiece of the modern social contract. While automation is often mentioned as a catalyzing force in the basic income discussion, Scotland is looking at the policy more from a social justice angle. In this episode, Owen interviews the Head of RSA Scotland and Board Member of Citizens Basic Income Network Scotland, Jamie Cooke.</content:encoded>
                
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                <pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2018 21:53:21 &#43;0000</pubDate>
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                <itunes:title>Land, Housing, and Basic Income, feat. Laurie Macfarlane</itunes:title>
                <title>Land, Housing, and Basic Income, feat. Laurie Macfarlane</title>

                
                
                <itunes:author>Owen Poindexter, Jim Pugh</itunes:author>
                <itunes:subtitle>A universal basic income would have myriad interactions with existing markets, and one that is worth thorough consideration is the housing market. Laurie Macfarlane, Senior Economist at the New Economics Foundation, recent speaker at TEDxTotnes, and co-a</itunes:subtitle>
                <itunes:summary>&lt;p&gt;A universal basic income would have myriad interactions with existing markets, and one that is worth thorough consideration is the housing market. Laurie Macfarlane, Senior Economist at the New Economics Foundation, recent speaker at TEDxTotnes, and co-author of the book ‘Rethinking the Economics of Land and Housing’ joined the podcast to discuss the various factors within the housing market and what they could mean for basic income. Macfarlane proposes a method to share wealth from rising land values, based on the Alaska Permanent Fund.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;——&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;h2&gt;Episode Transcript&lt;/h2&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Owen:&lt;/strong&gt; Hello, and welcome to the Basic Income Podcast. I’m Owen Poindexter. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jim:&lt;/strong&gt; And I’m Jim Pugh. We’ve talked about in the past that, while a universal basic income would really be a game changer on so many fronts, there are certain areas where it certainly wouldn’t solve the problem, and a big one of those is housing. Particularly here in the Bay Area with the astronomical prices of housing and rent, receiving something like $1000 a month really would not cut it for actually allowing people to be able to fully cover their basic needs.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So we thought it would be interesting to spend an episode delving more into understanding how we actually got to this place where housing has become so expensive and such a massive cost in certain parts of the country and around the world.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Owen:&lt;/strong&gt; So here to help us think through those issues is someone who’s thought quite a lot about housing and land as a public resource. So today we’re joined by Laurie Macfarlane. He’s a Senior Economist at the New Economics Foundation, recent speaker at TEDxTotnes, and co-author of the book Rethinking the Economics of Land and Housing. Welcome, Laurie.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Laurie:&lt;/strong&gt; Hey, thanks very much for having me.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Owen:&lt;/strong&gt; So land and housing are major fields of study for you, and you trace much of the modern condition, both positive and negative, to private ownership of land. Could you explain why private land ownership, something most people take for granted, is so crucial to how the world works today? &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Laurie:&lt;/strong&gt; Yeah, sure. So, like you said, often people don’t realize that the idea that land can be owned as some kind of private property that can be traded, bought, and sold, and the right to exclude people from that land is actually quite a new idea in the history of humankind. It’s actually very, very recent. It only really came to the surface in the 16th century.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Before that, land couldn’t be owned. It was governed by rules of social custom and obligation and various other types of governance. But that transformation that took place, beginning in England, but then obviously spreading around the rest of the world, was really transformational on so many levels. And I think, for the purposes of this context of this discussion, I think the key thing is that it has a kind of a double-edged sword if you like.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So on the one hand, it really, as we know, gave birth the capitalism, transformed our whole economy, drove economic growth, technological advancement, living standards, and all the rest of it. But at the same time, it was inherently exclusionary. So by its very nature, as soon as you give some people exclusive rights over what was previously a commonly own resource, that inevitably involves taking away the rights of others.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And what happened in many countries is, whether it’s in the UK with the enclosures and the clearances or indeed in the US with the native population, millions of people were driven off the land violently, and those that were allowed to stay found themselves that they now had to pay rent to owners, to landowners to access what they previously could get for free.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And landowners effectively became the kind of gatekeepers, if you like,</itunes:summary>
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                <itunes:title>A New Experiment on Cash Transfers &amp; Childhood Development, feat. Greg Duncan</itunes:title>
                <title>A New Experiment on Cash Transfers &amp; Childhood Development, feat. Greg Duncan</title>

                
                
                <itunes:author>Owen Poindexter, Jim Pugh</itunes:author>
                <itunes:subtitle>An exciting new experiment, led by Greg Duncan of UC Irvine, is launching to explore how cash transfers affect early childhood on biological, cognitive, and social metrics. Duncan joined the podcast to discuss the motivation for the experiment, what it w</itunes:subtitle>
                <itunes:summary>&lt;p&gt;An exciting new experiment, led by Greg Duncan of UC Irvine, is launching to explore how cash transfers affect early childhood on biological, cognitive, and social metrics. Duncan joined the podcast to discuss the motivation for the experiment, what it will study, and the research to date on poverty and children.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;——&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;h2&gt;Episode Transcript&lt;/h2&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Owen:&lt;/strong&gt; Hello, and welcome to the Basic Income Podcast. I’m Owen Poindexter.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jim:&lt;/strong&gt; And I’m Jim Pugh. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Owen:&lt;/strong&gt; So there is an exciting research experiment that just launched in the US called “Baby’s First Years” that will provide new mothers with unconditional cash, and the researchers are interested in everything from how the money is spent to how this affects neural development.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And so recently, Jim got to speak with one of the lead researchers. His name is Greg Duncan. He’s a Distinguished Professor at the University of California Irvine. So here’s Jim and Greg discussing Baby’s First Years. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jim:&lt;/strong&gt; Thanks so much for joining us. Now, to start with, can you just tell us what generally the work you’re doing focuses on?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Greg:&lt;/strong&gt;  I’m an academic economist, and I’m interested in social policy of various kinds, and I’ve long been interested in the effect of inequality and income inequality in general and poverty in particular on the development of children.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And I think one of the things we’ve learned over the last 20 years from neuroscience is how important the very early years of life are, infancy and toddlerhood, because that’s the time when a lot is happening with kids brains. And it’s a period when kids are particularly susceptible to enrichment in their environment as well as insults in their environment.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So, the idea that economic deprivation caused by poverty might be especially detrimental for early in life has been a focus of my research. And it’s also a very important policy issue because over the last 20 years since welfare reform, we’ve oriented our safety net more toward working parents — Earned Income Tax Credit, child tax credit, those are much larger now than they used to be, and they’re going to working families, generally families with somewhat older kids, and families who are further along in the life cycle then the families just starting out with newborns.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So there’s a substantial amount of poverty among low-income kids and especially young kids, and the question of whether income is an active ingredient in producing all the correlations that we see between poverty and child development.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;One of the more noteworthy studies coming out of neuroscience recently shows that white matter in brains between kids who are in low-income families and higher income families is very similar to about six months of age. But by 36 months of age, there are these growing differentials, and we don’t really know whether it’s income poverty or whether it’s other conditions associated with poverty — things like single-parent family structure, low levels of parent education, neighborhood disadvantage.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What we’ve done with the project that we’re just starting is to try to isolate the impact of income itself on young childrens’ — infant and toddler — cognitive development and socioemotional development. Hence our experiment that’s just starting out now.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jim:&lt;/strong&gt; Now, I think when a lot of people think about the academic world, there is often an assumption that people are doing analysis but aren’t actually getting into really changing the way that our systems and policies operate. But this experiment you just referenced, Baby’s First Years, this is actually an instance where you are going to be providing unconditional</itunes:summary>
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                <content:encoded>An exciting new experiment, led by Greg Duncan of UC Irvine, is launching to explore how cash transfers affect early childhood on biological, cognitive, and social metrics. Duncan joined the podcast to discuss the motivation for the experiment, what it will study, and the research to date on poverty and children.</content:encoded>
                
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                <itunes:title>An Update on Finland’s Basic Income Trial, feat. Aleksi Neuvonen of Demos Helsinki</itunes:title>
                <title>An Update on Finland’s Basic Income Trial, feat. Aleksi Neuvonen of Demos Helsinki</title>

                
                
                <itunes:author>Owen Poindexter, Jim Pugh</itunes:author>
                <itunes:subtitle>Recently, there have been a lot of media reports on Finlands basic income trial, some stating that it is ending, that it failed, or something along those lines. The reality is much different. To get an understanding of whats actually going on, and what c</itunes:subtitle>
                <itunes:summary>&lt;p&gt;Recently, there have been a lot of media reports on Finland’s basic income trial, some stating that it is ending, that it failed, or something along those lines. The reality is much different. To get an understanding of what’s actually going on, and what caused all those news stories, Owen spoke with Aleksi Neuvonen, cofounder of Demos Helsinki.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;——&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;h2&gt;Episode Transcript&lt;/h2&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Owen:&lt;/strong&gt; Hello, and welcome to the Basic Income Podcast. I’m Owen Poindexter.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jim:&lt;/strong&gt; And I’m Jim Pugh. Many of you may have read headlines in recent weeks claiming that Finland’s basic income experiment had been canceled. Now, for those of you who took time to dig in a bit, you probably discovered that was not correct. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The Finish experiment, in fact, is continuing as originally planned and the quote unquote cancellation actually referred to a proposed expansion of the experiment. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Owen:&lt;/strong&gt; So we thought it would be good to get into the details about what’s actually going on there. And find out, you know, if the experiment is not cancelled, what is happening.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So, I got to speak with Aleksi Neuvonen. He’s the founder of Demos Helsinki and someone very close to the situation. And he gave a really good take on what’s going on there. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Owen:&lt;/strong&gt; Welcome, Aleksi. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Aleksi:&lt;/strong&gt; Thank you. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Owen:&lt;/strong&gt; So, to start, could you just remind our listeners what the original basic income program in Finland was and what its goals were.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Aleksi:&lt;/strong&gt; The basic income experiment in Finland is one of the twenty-seven policy experiments that the current coalition, government coalition in Finland is running. And they started their program in 2015. And basic income experiment is the biggest of all these politics experiments. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I would say the reason why they decided to experiment basic income is that there has been, for 15 years practically, an intention to renew the Finnish welfare system, which different types of committees during each election term trying to come up with certain suggestions on how to modernize the welfare system, which is a rather big system, takes quite a big chunk of the budget in the Finnish government with no results for the past 15 years. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And now, when Finland elected new government, or new Parliament, three years ago, there was an idea of changing the way they do policymaking. Then they introduced the idea of going towards experimentation culture. And as welfare reform was one of the key areas, they decided to try it with a new policy tool, which is an experiment which would last two years from the beginning of 2017 till the end of 2018.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Owen:&lt;/strong&gt; Okay. Yeah. So, in the last couple of weeks, as I said, there have been a lot of reports about some changes to the experiment, that it’s ending, that something’s different. Has anything about the experiment changed? &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Aleksi:&lt;/strong&gt; No, actually, there has been no changes whatsoever. The current experiment comprises of two thousand people being selected to the experiment. Those people still get the basic income of 560 Euros per month. And that will run till end of this year. No analysis on the impact of the basic income or changes in the benefits that they receive have been done. And that was the intention from the beginning.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;They will start analyzing the results at the beginning of 2019. So nothing has changed in the experiment itself. And from the beginning, there was a plan to make it a two-year experiment with some speculation on whether they could extend it to last longer. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Actually, the group that did the pre-study and design of the experiments suggested that, based on previous experiments, usually it takes from three and a half to four and a half years before you start getting positive well-being impact on</itunes:summary>
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                <itunes:title>Exploring the Potential of Basic Income in India, feat. Saksham Khosla</itunes:title>
                <title>Exploring the Potential of Basic Income in India, feat. Saksham Khosla</title>

                
                
                <itunes:author>Owen Poindexter, Jim Pugh</itunes:author>
                <itunes:subtitle>The basic income conversation is alive and well in India, particularly in the wake of an analysis conducted by the The Indian Ministry of Finance’s 2016–17 Economic Survey. Saksham Khosla, a Research Analyst at Carnegie India in New Delhi, discusses the</itunes:subtitle>
                <itunes:summary>&lt;p&gt;The basic income conversation is alive and well in India, particularly in the wake of an analysis conducted by the The Indian Ministry of Finance’s 2016–17 Economic Survey. Saksham Khosla, a Research Analyst at Carnegie India in New Delhi, discusses the Ministry of Finance’s proposal, and the various issues to be tackled in considering a basic income program for India. Khosla describes the unique challenges of creating a social safety net for a country of over 1.3 billion people.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;——&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;h2&gt;Episode Transcript&lt;/h2&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Owen:&lt;/strong&gt; Hello, and welcome to the Basic Income Podcast.  I’m Owen Poindexter.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jim:&lt;/strong&gt; And I’m Jim Pugh. We’ve talked briefly in the past about some of the past research around cash transfers, and there’s been a fair amount of studies on that and, in particular, some basic income pilots that have taken place in India in the past. And there’s recently actually been quite a growing debate in the country on the policy, but we really haven’t had a chance to delve in on that topic until now&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Owen:&lt;/strong&gt;  So here to help us do that is someone who spent a lot of time with these issues in India. So joining us is Saksham Khosla. He’s a Research Analyst at Carnegie India. Welcome to the podcast. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Saksham:&lt;/strong&gt; Thanks so much, guys. Thanks for having me. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Owen:&lt;/strong&gt; So, to start with, can you just tell us generally about your work on universal basic income? &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Saksham:&lt;/strong&gt; Yeah, absolutely. So my research on UBI has really started in the aftermath of the Indian Ministry of Finance’s proposal for an Indian universal basic income that came out in 2016. That particular report seemed to have set a firestorm of debate in India about how does some radical transformation of the welfare net can be implemented in India.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So after that report, I really became interested in figuring out how apt really is such an intervention for the Indian context and what might one think about when something like this have to be implemented at the scale and size and scope that is India. That really was the rationale for getting into a, discussing a UBI for me. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jim:&lt;/strong&gt; Now, you’ve written that there is an active debate around basic income in India. Can you tell us a bit about, what is the driving interest there behind the idea? Is it, in the US, oftentimes automation is brought up as a reason for people to become interested, and there are people who explore it for other reasons here as well, looking at the anti-poverty and equity value that the policy might bring. But I’m curious if you can give us some insights as to what’s actually causing people to pursue this policy there. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Saksham:&lt;/strong&gt; Absolutely. Like in the US, the universal basic income is the  not really a new idea for India. In the late 60s, there were debates happening within the Indian cabinet about whether a minimum income standard would be a useful policy intervention.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That debate seems to have subsided since then, but it seems to have picked back up starting around 2011 and 2012 when a couple of Indian Economist started thinking about whether there is an argument to be made for administrative efficiency. And that really is the big driving rationale for an Indian UBI. Can it outperformed our existing social safety net, which is one that is incredibly expensive? It’s sort of a patchwork of programs that takes place across the country in for a variety of different populations. And the thinking is, well, can one cash transfer, something that suffices for a household and is enough to cover their basic need and that’s delivered directly into people’s bank account, can that really outperform some of the more complicated welfare arrangements that we have in this country?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And since then, that debate is really been pick</itunes:summary>
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                <pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2018 20:16:08 &#43;0000</pubDate>
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                <itunes:title>Expanding the Earned Income Tax Credit, feat. the California Budget &amp; Policy Center</itunes:title>
                <title>Expanding the Earned Income Tax Credit, feat. the California Budget &amp; Policy Center</title>

                
                
                <itunes:author>Owen Poindexter, Jim Pugh</itunes:author>
                <itunes:subtitle>While basic income is often described as a revolutionary proposal, we do have programs in the federal government and some U.S. states that contain elements of a basic income, namely the Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC). The California Budget &amp;amp; Policy</itunes:subtitle>
                <itunes:summary>&lt;p&gt;While basic income is often described as a revolutionary proposal, we do have programs in the federal government and some U.S. states that contain elements of a basic income, namely the Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC). The California Budget &amp;amp; Policy Center (CBPC) has studied the effects of the EITC, and what it might look like to expand the program to something resembling a basic income. Jim and Owen are joined by Senior Policy Analysts at the CBPC, Alissa Anderson and Sara Kimberlin.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;——&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;h2&gt;Episode Transcript&lt;/h2&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Owen:&lt;/strong&gt; Hello, and welcome to the Basic Income Podcast. I’m Owen Poindexter.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jim:&lt;/strong&gt; And I’m Jim Pugh. In past episodes, we’ve talked a bit about the Earned Income Tax Credit, or EITC, as a policy that in some ways resembles the universal basic income and could potentially be expanded to more closely model the policy and to the live up to the aspects of it that so many of us find so interesting. One of our past guests, Chris Hughes, talked about his proposal for a guaranteed income, which is heavily inspired by the Earned Income Tax Credit.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But we haven’t delved too deeply into the policy to understand exactly how it works and what current proposals actually are moving and have been discussed as far as taking it more in the direction of basic income.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Owen:&lt;/strong&gt; So, in this episode, we have some people who’ve done some deep analysis on this, in the context of the State of California. So joining us from the California Budget &amp;amp; Policy Center are Alissa Anderson and Sara Kimberlin. They are senior policy analysts. Welcome to both of you.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Alissa:&lt;/strong&gt; Thanks very much for having us.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Sara:&lt;/strong&gt; Yeah, thanks.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Owen:&lt;/strong&gt; To start with, can you just tell us generally about the work that the California Budget &amp;amp; Policy Center does?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Alissa:&lt;/strong&gt; Sure. So we are a non-partisan public policy research organization. And we basically seek to inform state budget and policy debates, primarily by analyzing the impact of policy proposals on low and moderate income Californians.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And so we cover a wide range of policy areas, everything from early care and education, K-12 education, higher education, health and human services, tax policy, housing, and many others.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jim:&lt;/strong&gt; Now, as I said earlier, one policy we’ve talked about in the past in relation to basic income is the Earned Income Tax Credit. Since we haven’t really gone into too much depth, do you mind just giving a brief description of what that policy is and what impact it has for low-income Americans?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Sara:&lt;/strong&gt; Sure. So the the Earned Income Tax Credit is, originally it’s a refundable federal income tax credit that’s designed to allow low and moderate income working families to keep more of their earnings. And basically, it reduces the amount of federal income tax that families. They’ll get more money if they have more children, and it’s based on how much they earn.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But importantly, because it’s refundable, if the Earned Income Tax Credit is more than what a family owes in taxes, then they get the difference back as a refund. So they’ll actually get a check back from the federal government that you can help them increase their income and pay for their basic needs. So what that means is even families that don’t owe any federal income tax can get the full amount of EITC that they qualify for.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Some important things to know about it: for one thing, it actually has a very broad reach. About one in five tax filers in the US claims it. And it can be a very sizable cash benefit, so the federal EITC can boost families earnings by over a third to almost a half depending on the number of children with a maximum credit about $6,300.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And there’s also some oth</itunes:summary>
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                <pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2018 18:03:08 &#43;0000</pubDate>
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                <itunes:title>The Basic Income Debate in Australia, feat. Emma Dawson</itunes:title>
                <title>The Basic Income Debate in Australia, feat. Emma Dawson</title>

                
                
                <itunes:author>Owen Poindexter, Jim Pugh</itunes:author>
                <itunes:subtitle>With a recent proposal for universal basic income by Australias Green Party, the debate over the policy is alive and well down under. Owen and Jim spoke with Emma Dawson, Executive Director of Per Capita, a progressive think tank in Australia. Dawson is</itunes:subtitle>
                <itunes:summary>&lt;p&gt;With a recent proposal for universal basic income by Australia’s Green Party, the debate over the policy is alive and well down under. Owen and Jim spoke with Emma Dawson, Executive Director of Per Capita, a progressive think tank in Australia. Dawson is a strong supporter of Australia’s social programs but is skeptical that universal basic income is right for her country.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;——&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;h2&gt;Episode Transcript&lt;/h2&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Owen:&lt;/strong&gt; Hello, and welcome the Basic Income Podcast. I’m Owen Poindexter.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jim:&lt;/strong&gt;  And I’m Jim Pugh. Those of you who have been following recent basic income news may have heard about a proposal that came out just in the last few weeks in Australia. Now most of our conversations on this podcast tend to focus on US policy, but the conversation around this really is an international one and what happens in places around the world can shape perspectives, and certainly there can be similarities and also differences on policy solutions in different places.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Owen:&lt;/strong&gt; So for this episode we’ll be speaking with Emma Dawson. She’s the executive director of Per Capita, which is a progressive think tank in Australia. And we’ll be discussing a recent proposal there around basic income which she has some concerns about. So welcome Emma.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Emma:&lt;/strong&gt; Hey, nice to be with you.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Owen:&lt;/strong&gt; So we’ve had some guests from countries around the world in the past. And like Jim said, we tend to focus on the US and the challenges we have here and what basic income might look like in this context. However, as we discussed in a recent episode with Professor Alma Zelleke, the assumptions and values inherent to the social safety net in a particular country have a major impact on what new policies solutions will prove effective.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So to start with can you just tell us generally about the current state of the economy and social programs in Australia and what challenges you currently face?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Emma:&lt;/strong&gt; Sure. So Australia is a growing economy, a reasonably large economy. We’re a wealthy nation, second only to Switzerland in terms of wealth per capita, and we actually hold the world record now for the longest period of uninterrupted economic growth. So we’re going to 26th year without a recession. And unlike a lot of countries, we didn’t go into recession during the GFC. We had a a government that implemented a fairly Keynesian style fiscal stimulus package at the time and kept a lot of people in work that otherwise almost certainly would have been thrown out of work.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We also have a fairly strong social safety net. We have the most tightly targeted tax and transfer system in the OECD. So our welfare spend is very carefully targeted to those who need it. There is a degree of so-called middle class welfare, but certainly not as much as you might find in other comparable jurisdictions.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We have a reasonably strong minimum wage. It’s I think $18 39 Australian, which is which is a little under $15 US an hour, is the absolute minimum wage. We also have, of course, universal healthcare. So we have some some measures in place in our safety net that certainly aren’t there in the US.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;At the same time, all those headline figures look really good, but we do have a higher unemployment rate than the US. It’s currently sitting around 5.5, 5.6 percent and that hasn’t budged for a long time. We have a very high rate of under utilization in the labor force, so we have about 1.1 million out of our population of 25 million. We have that 1.1 million people that are looking for more work than they’ve currently got, and you only need to be employed for one hour a week here to count as employed in the statistic.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And our wage growth is pretty stagnant. It’s sitting at around 1.9 percent per annum at the moment, which is barely ke</itunes:summary>
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                <content:encoded>With a recent proposal for universal basic income by Australia&amp;#39;s Green Party, the debate over the policy is alive and well down under. Owen and Jim spoke with Emma Dawson, Executive Director of Per Capita, a progressive think tank in Australia. Dawson is a strong supporter of Australia&amp;#39;s social programs but is skeptical that universal basic income is right for her country.</content:encoded>
                
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                <pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2018 04:17:11 &#43;0000</pubDate>
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                <itunes:title>A Basic Income Presidency, feat. Presidential Candidate Andrew Yang</itunes:title>
                <title>A Basic Income Presidency, feat. Presidential Candidate Andrew Yang</title>

                
                
                <itunes:author>Owen Poindexter, Jim Pugh</itunes:author>
                <itunes:subtitle>What would it take to truly prepare the U.S. for the potential of widespread technological unemployment and invest in people in a way that allows them to really reach their potential? These questions and some novel answers inspired Venture for America fo</itunes:subtitle>
                <itunes:summary>&lt;p&gt;What would it take to truly prepare the U.S. for the potential of widespread technological unemployment and invest in people in a way that allows them to really reach their potential? These questions and some novel answers inspired Venture for America founder Andrew Yang to run for president: he is a declared candidate for the 2020 election. Jim interviewed Yang at an event in San Francisco on his candidacy, vision, and the political path forward for basic income.&lt;/p&gt;
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                <description><![CDATA[What would it take to truly prepare the U.S. for the potential of widespread technological unemployment and invest in people in a way that allows them to really reach their potential? These questions and some novel answers inspired Venture for America founder Andrew Yang to run for president: he is a declared candidate for the 2020 election. Jim interviewed Yang at an event in San Francisco on his candidacy, vision, and the political path forward for basic income.]]></description>
                <content:encoded>What would it take to truly prepare the U.S. for the potential of widespread technological unemployment and invest in people in a way that allows them to really reach their potential? These questions and some novel answers inspired Venture for America founder Andrew Yang to run for president: he is a declared candidate for the 2020 election. Jim interviewed Yang at an event in San Francisco on his candidacy, vision, and the political path forward for basic income.</content:encoded>
                
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                <pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2018 17:28:26 &#43;0000</pubDate>
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                <itunes:title>UBI and the Values Embedded in our Social Safety Net, feat. Almaz Zelleke</itunes:title>
                <title>UBI and the Values Embedded in our Social Safety Net, feat. Almaz Zelleke</title>

                
                
                <itunes:author>Owen Poindexter, Jim Pugh</itunes:author>
                <itunes:subtitle>To understand our current anti-poverty measures and the full impact of a basic income, we need to understand the values and assumptions embedded in the safety net right now. In this episode, Owen discusses these issues with Almaz Zelleke, Associate Profe</itunes:subtitle>
                <itunes:summary>&lt;p&gt;To understand our current anti-poverty measures and the full impact of a basic income, we need to understand the values and assumptions embedded in the safety net right now. In this episode, Owen discusses these issues with Almaz Zelleke, Associate Professor of Political Science at NYU Shanghai, who is working on a book on the ethics of basic income in the U.S.&lt;/p&gt;
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                <description><![CDATA[To understand our current anti-poverty measures and the full impact of a basic income, we need to understand the values and assumptions embedded in the safety net right now. In this episode, Owen discusses these issues with Almaz Zelleke, Associate Professor of Political Science at NYU Shanghai, who is working on a book on the ethics of basic income in the U.S.]]></description>
                <content:encoded>To understand our current anti-poverty measures and the full impact of a basic income, we need to understand the values and assumptions embedded in the safety net right now. In this episode, Owen discusses these issues with Almaz Zelleke, Associate Professor of Political Science at NYU Shanghai, who is working on a book on the ethics of basic income in the U.S.</content:encoded>
                
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                <pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2018 19:44:49 &#43;0000</pubDate>
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                <itunes:title>Is Basic Income a Bipartisan Policy?</itunes:title>
                <title>Is Basic Income a Bipartisan Policy?</title>

                
                
                <itunes:author>Owen Poindexter, Jim Pugh</itunes:author>
                <itunes:subtitle>We hear a lot about basic income having bipartisan support, with Dr. Marin Luther King, Jr. and Milton Friedman frequently cited together as supporters on opposite sides of the aisle. However, there is also a counter narrative that suggests the progressi</itunes:subtitle>
                <itunes:summary>&lt;p&gt;We hear a lot about basic income having bipartisan support, with Dr. Marin Luther King, Jr. and Milton Friedman frequently cited together as supporters on opposite sides of the aisle. However, there is also a counter narrative that suggests the progressive and libertarian visions of basic income are too different to be reconciled. In this episode, Owen and Jim delve into how basic income appeals to a politically diverse coalition and how it doesn’t.&lt;/p&gt;
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                <content:encoded>We hear a lot about basic income having bipartisan support, with Dr. Marin Luther King, Jr. and Milton Friedman frequently cited together as supporters on opposite sides of the aisle. However, there is also a counter narrative that suggests the progressive and libertarian visions of basic income are too different to be reconciled. In this episode, Owen and Jim delve into how basic income appeals to a politically diverse coalition and how it doesn&amp;#39;t.</content:encoded>
                
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                <pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2018 19:25:20 &#43;0000</pubDate>
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                <itunes:title>Analyzing Basic Income Models in Washington DC</itunes:title>
                <title>Analyzing Basic Income Models in Washington DC</title>

                
                
                <itunes:author>Owen Poindexter, Jim Pugh</itunes:author>
                <itunes:subtitle>The District of Columbia recently commissioned a study on various ways to address poverty, including a negative income tax and a minimum guaranteed income. Jim and Owen spoke with DC Councilmember David Grosso, Council Budget Director Jen Budoff, and the</itunes:subtitle>
                <itunes:summary>&lt;p&gt;The District of Columbia recently commissioned &lt;a href=&#34;http://dccouncil.us/files/user_uploads/event_testimony/Economic%20and%20Policy%20Impact%20Statement%20-%20Approaches%20and%20Strategies%20for%20Providing%20a%20Minimum%20Income%20in%20the%20District%20of%20Columbia(1).pdf&#34; rel=&#34;nofollow&#34;&gt;a study on various ways to address poverty&lt;/a&gt;, including a negative income tax and a minimum guaranteed income. Jim and Owen spoke with DC Councilmember &lt;span&gt;David Grosso, Council Budget Director &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;Jen Budoff, and the &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;two primary authors of the study, Susanna Groves and John MacNeil, to discuss the findings of the study and its implications.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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                <content:encoded>The District of Columbia recently commissioned a study on various ways to address poverty, including a negative income tax and a minimum guaranteed income. Jim and Owen spoke with DC Councilmember David Grosso, Council Budget Director Jen Budoff, and the two primary authors of the study, Susanna Groves and John MacNeil, to discuss the findings of the study and its implications.</content:encoded>
                
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                <pubDate>Sun, 01 Apr 2018 23:44:05 &#43;0000</pubDate>
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                <itunes:title>Fair Shot: Rethinking Inequality and How We Earn, featuring Chris Hughes</itunes:title>
                <title>Fair Shot: Rethinking Inequality and How We Earn, featuring Chris Hughes</title>

                
                
                <itunes:author>Owen Poindexter, Jim Pugh</itunes:author>
                <itunes:subtitle>This weeks guest is Chris Hughes, cofounder of Facebook and the Economic Security Project, and author of the recently released book Fair Shot: Rethinking Inequality and How We Earn. Chris discusses how he came to recognize the power of cash transfers, an</itunes:subtitle>
                <itunes:summary>&lt;p&gt;This week’s guest is Chris Hughes, cofounder of Facebook and the Economic Security Project, and author of the recently released book Fair Shot: Rethinking Inequality and How We Earn. Chris discusses how he came to recognize the power of cash transfers, and his experience going from growing up in a low-income family to becoming very wealthy through Facebook. He also lays out his plan to provide financial security to every working American.&lt;/p&gt;
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                <content:encoded>This week&amp;#39;s guest is Chris Hughes, cofounder of Facebook and the Economic Security Project, and author of the recently released book Fair Shot: Rethinking Inequality and How We Earn. Chris discusses how he came to recognize the power of cash transfers, and his experience going from growing up in a low-income family to becoming very wealthy through Facebook. He also lays out his plan to provide financial security to every working American.</content:encoded>
                
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                <pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2018 21:03:21 &#43;0000</pubDate>
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                <itunes:title>Economic Analyses of Basic Income, featuring Rakeen Mabud</itunes:title>
                <title>Economic Analyses of Basic Income, featuring Rakeen Mabud</title>

                
                
                <itunes:author>Owen Poindexter, Jim Pugh</itunes:author>
                <itunes:subtitle>How would universal basic income impact the economy? The Roosevelt Institute has done numerous analyses on how unconditional cash transfers could affect the economy at various levels and program designs. Rakeen Mabud, Program Director of the Roosevelt In</itunes:subtitle>
                <itunes:summary>&lt;p&gt;How would universal basic income impact the economy? The Roosevelt Institute has done numerous analyses on how unconditional cash transfers could affect the economy at various levels and program designs. Rakeen Mabud, Program Director of the Roosevelt Institute, joins the podcast to discuss these analyses and what they mean for the wider basic income conversation.&lt;/p&gt;
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                <description><![CDATA[How would universal basic income impact the economy? The Roosevelt Institute has done numerous analyses on how unconditional cash transfers could affect the economy at various levels and program designs. Rakeen Mabud, Program Director of the Roosevelt Institute, joins the podcast to discuss these analyses and what they mean for the wider basic income conversation.]]></description>
                <content:encoded>How would universal basic income impact the economy? The Roosevelt Institute has done numerous analyses on how unconditional cash transfers could affect the economy at various levels and program designs. Rakeen Mabud, Program Director of the Roosevelt Institute, joins the podcast to discuss these analyses and what they mean for the wider basic income conversation.</content:encoded>
                
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                <itunes:title>How UBI Was Added to the California Democratic Party Platform, featuring Rocky Fernandez</itunes:title>
                <title>How UBI Was Added to the California Democratic Party Platform, featuring Rocky Fernandez</title>

                
                
                <itunes:author>Owen Poindexter, Jim Pugh</itunes:author>
                <itunes:subtitle>Two weeks ago at the annual California Democratic Convention, the party adopted a new platform that includes universal basic income as a policy it supports. Rocky Fernandez, Region 5 Director for the CA Democratic Party, joins the Basic Income Podcast to</itunes:subtitle>
                <itunes:summary>&lt;p&gt;Two weeks ago at the annual California Democratic Convention, the party adopted a new platform that includes universal basic income as a policy it supports. Rocky Fernandez, Region 5 Director for the CA Democratic Party, joins the Basic Income Podcast to discuss how this happened and what it means for basic income in California.&lt;/p&gt;
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                <content:encoded>Two weeks ago at the annual California Democratic Convention, the party adopted a new platform that includes universal basic income as a policy it supports. Rocky Fernandez, Region 5 Director for the CA Democratic Party, joins the Basic Income Podcast to discuss how this happened and what it means for basic income in California.</content:encoded>
                
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                <pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2018 19:59:18 &#43;0000</pubDate>
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                <itunes:title>Why Basic Income Advocates Should Defend SNAP, featuring Jess Bartholow</itunes:title>
                <title>Why Basic Income Advocates Should Defend SNAP, featuring Jess Bartholow</title>

                
                
                <itunes:author>Owen Poindexter, Jim Pugh</itunes:author>
                <itunes:subtitle>Jess Bartholow of the Western Center on Law &amp;amp; Poverty joins the podcast to discuss the Trump Administrations proposal to cut SNAP (aka food stamps) and replace some cash benefits with a food delivery program. Bartholow discusses the research on SNAP</itunes:subtitle>
                <itunes:summary>&lt;p&gt;Jess Bartholow of the Western Center on Law &amp;amp; Poverty joins the podcast to discuss the Trump Administration’s proposal to cut SNAP (aka food stamps) and replace some cash benefits with a food delivery program. Bartholow discusses the research on SNAP and why basic income advocates should oppose these changes.&lt;/p&gt;
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                <content:encoded>Jess Bartholow of the Western Center on Law &amp;amp; Poverty joins the podcast to discuss the Trump Administration&amp;#39;s proposal to cut SNAP (aka food stamps) and replace some cash benefits with a food delivery program. Bartholow discusses the research on SNAP and why basic income advocates should oppose these changes.</content:encoded>
                
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                <pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2018 00:32:47 &#43;0000</pubDate>
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                <itunes:title>An inside look at the UK Opportunity Fund, featuring Anthony Painter</itunes:title>
                <title>An inside look at the UK Opportunity Fund, featuring Anthony Painter</title>

                
                
                <itunes:author>Owen Poindexter, Jim Pugh</itunes:author>
                <itunes:subtitle>Basic income made headlines last week with a proposal by the Royal Society of Arts (RSA) to create a United Kingdom Opportunity Fund, which would pay unconditional cash to all British residents under 55. Anthony Painter, Director of the RSA Action and Re</itunes:subtitle>
                <itunes:summary>&lt;p&gt;Basic income made headlines last week with a proposal by the Royal Society of Arts (RSA) to create a United Kingdom Opportunity Fund, which would pay unconditional cash to all British residents under 55. Anthony Painter, Director of the RSA Action and Research Center, joined Jim and Owen to discuss the proposal and the state of politics around basic income in the UK.&lt;/p&gt;
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                <content:encoded>Basic income made headlines last week with a proposal by the Royal Society of Arts (RSA) to create a United Kingdom Opportunity Fund, which would pay unconditional cash to all British residents under 55. Anthony Painter, Director of the RSA Action and Research Center, joined Jim and Owen to discuss the proposal and the state of politics around basic income in the UK.</content:encoded>
                
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                <pubDate>Thu, 22 Feb 2018 02:28:31 &#43;0000</pubDate>
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                <itunes:title>Basic Income Speculative Fiction, featuring Sandra Haynes</itunes:title>
                <title>Basic Income Speculative Fiction, featuring Sandra Haynes</title>

                
                
                <itunes:author>Owen Poindexter, Jim Pugh</itunes:author>
                <itunes:subtitle>Jim interviews Sandra Haynes, winner of “Into the Black”, a speculative fiction contest on basic income, held by the Economic Security Project. Sandra’s story imagines an Artificial Intelligence created to study emotions of people using</itunes:subtitle>
                <itunes:summary>&lt;p&gt;Jim interviews Sandra Haynes, winner of “Into the Black”, a speculative fiction contest on basic income, held by the Economic Security Project. Sandra’s story imagines an Artificial Intelligence created to study emotions of people using bank ATMs, which becomes conscious while trying to determine why it keeps seeing people cry. We hear about what inspired this story, Sandra’s thoughts on basic income, and a little bit of the story itself.&lt;/p&gt;
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                <content:encoded>Jim interviews Sandra Haynes, winner of “Into the Black”, a speculative fiction contest on basic income, held by the Economic Security Project. Sandra’s story imagines an Artificial Intelligence created to study emotions of people using bank ATMs, which becomes conscious while trying to determine why it keeps seeing people cry. We hear about what inspired […]</content:encoded>
                
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                <pubDate>Fri, 16 Feb 2018 22:47:38 &#43;0000</pubDate>
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                <itunes:title>What Basic Income Will and Won’t Solve</itunes:title>
                <title>What Basic Income Will and Won’t Solve</title>

                
                
                <itunes:author>Owen Poindexter, Jim Pugh</itunes:author>
                <itunes:subtitle>Basic income advocates often talk about what a transformative impact universal basic income could have on society -- but what issues and challenges will it actually solve? Jim and Owen share their thoughts on whether basic income is the solution to pover</itunes:subtitle>
                <itunes:summary>&lt;p&gt;Basic income advocates often talk about what a transformative impact universal basic income could have on society — but what issues and challenges will it actually solve? Jim and Owen share their thoughts on whether basic income is the solution to poverty, automation, wealth inequality, and more.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;——&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;h2&gt;Episode Transcript&lt;/h2&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Owen:&lt;/strong&gt; Hello, and welcome to the Basic Income Podcast. I’m Owen Poindexter.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jim:&lt;/strong&gt; And I’m Jim Pugh. We are here with you today with a discussion episode.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Owen:&lt;/strong&gt; So, we’re going to be going through a number of different high-level issues and asking ourselves and each other “does basic income solve that issue?”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jim:&lt;/strong&gt; I think this is something that we touch on often in conversations on basic income, covering what areas basic income might make a big difference in peoples lives, but Owen and I were talking and really thinking that there hasn’t been a clear discussion on, for specific areas: Is basic income actually the answer to this problem? Is it not the answer? Is it part of the answer? And so, we thought it could be good to just really talk that through in a number of different directions.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Owen:&lt;/strong&gt; So, let’s jump in. First one. Jim, would you say basic income solves poverty?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jim:&lt;/strong&gt; I would say partially. What about you?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Owen:&lt;/strong&gt; I said yes. Alright, you go ahead. [laughing]&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jim:&lt;/strong&gt; The reason I would say partially is that I, when talking to people, I typically say, basic income solves absolute poverty. This idea that, I mean there are people out there who are in destitution, who can’t afford their basic needs, and that if they were getting unconditional cash every month, they could. And so, in that respect, yes. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The reason I said partially is because if you’re talking about actually eradicating poverty, I do think there’s more to it than just making sure that people can cover their needs on an ongoing basis. If you look at social work and what it means to have a pathway out of poverty, there are more steps to that. There’s understanding the language of the middle class. A great book that was recommended to me recently is “Bridges out of Poverty,” and it actually talks about some of the barriers that we don’t even realize are there a lot of the time.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And so, I think that I see basic income providing that floor, which is a necessary step to get out of poverty and to keep people from falling into destitution. But I actually think we will need more than that if we want to have everyone fully included in the economy.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Owen:&lt;/strong&gt; Yeah, I guess I was thinking partly just on a strict definitional level. If you can get above the poverty line, you are technically out of poverty. But, going a little bit further than that, the sorts of effects you see with cash transfer programs are the resolving of the symptoms of poverty. People have better educational outcomes, better healthcare outcomes. So that starts to convince me that the problem is lack of cash and when you provide cash then, maybe not all your problems are solved, but the damage done by poverty itself starts to heal up.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jim:&lt;/strong&gt; Yeah, I think that’s a good point, and an important thing to note is, if we’re talking about multi-generational effects, then maybe basic income does solve it. Because if you know the children are growing up with enough money to cover basic needs, maybe that could be enough to break the cycle of intergenerational poverty on its own.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Owen:&lt;/strong&gt; Yeah. And you do see some positive effects on long-term earnings just with some cash transfers, some cash stipends.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jim:&lt;/strong&gt; Alright. So next up on the list is wealth inequality. Owen, what say you?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Owen:&lt;/strong&gt; I said it takes a little of the edge off, but no. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jim:</itunes:summary>
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                <itunes:title>Y Combinator’s Basic Income Study, featuring Elizabeth Rhodes</itunes:title>
                <title>Y Combinator’s Basic Income Study, featuring Elizabeth Rhodes</title>

                
                
                <itunes:author>Owen Poindexter, Jim Pugh</itunes:author>
                <itunes:subtitle>Whats the latest with the basic income study piloted by Y Combinator Research? Jim and Owen sat down with Research Director Elizabeth Rhodes to find out. Rhodes shares insights from the initial pilot in Oakland and the much larger upcoming experiment. Rh</itunes:subtitle>
                <itunes:summary>&lt;p&gt;What’s the latest with the basic income study piloted by Y Combinator Research? Jim and Owen sat down with Research Director Elizabeth Rhodes to find out. Rhodes shares insights from the initial pilot in Oakland and the much larger upcoming experiment. Rhodes details the goals and methods of these exciting, important studies.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;——&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;h2&gt;Episode Transcript&lt;/h2&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Owen:&lt;/strong&gt; Hello, and welcome to the Basic Income Podcast! I’m Owen Poindexter.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jim:&lt;/strong&gt; And I’m Jim Pugh. One of the biggest developments in the last few years in the basic income space was the announcement by Y Combinator Research that they were going to run a pilot on the topic of basic income, to actually better understand what it looks like for people to receive unconditional cash. This happened just about two years ago now, and it really helped to kick off the conversation around basic income in the United States.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Owen:&lt;/strong&gt; So, today, we’re very fortunate to have the person leading that effort at Y Combinator Research. So, welcome to the podcast, Elizabeth Rhodes.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Elizabeth:&lt;/strong&gt; Thanks. It’s great to be here.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Owen:&lt;/strong&gt; So, why don’t you start off by just telling us a little bit about your background as a researcher and how you came to Y Combinator Research?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Elizabeth:&lt;/strong&gt; When I first heard about the job posting I was finishing up my dissertation at the University of Michigan. My background is in social work and political science, and I have been involved in poverty research both as a social worker and in terms of policy on the political science side.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I have worked a lot with the existing social safety net, both domestically and abroad, and pretty early in my graduate school time I did an independent study with a Professor and a colleague and we were sort of thinking outside the box on poverty, anti-poverty strategies, and we read, even it was actually Milton Friedman’s first discussion of the negative income tax. And, we sort of reconsidered what that might look like now. And that was my introduction to the topic.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I had definitely not heard of the movement for universal basic income. It was more just a guaranteed minimum income in more of the negative income tax model. So, we had written a paper on that and calculated what it would cost to implement a negative income tax now at different levels and different marginal tax rates.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So, I was really interested in the topic and then when I heard, someone forwarded around the political science department in Michigan, actually Sam Altman’s announcement that YC Research was looking to do a study and I jumped at the chance. It was no one else. And people would talk about the idea but no one else was really willing to take the risk and invest in this idea that is pushing the envelope I guess in a lot of ways. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jim:&lt;/strong&gt; Now, Y Combinator Research and the basic income project in particular, is a pretty new thing for Y Combinator, which is a start-up accelerator. So, can you tell us a bit more? What was the motivation here? What were the intended outcomes? What were the goals of this effort?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Elizabeth:&lt;/strong&gt; So, Sam Altman who is the President of Y Combinator had, YC was established to promote innovation and a lot of that can happen in for-profit through start-ups, but there’s a lot of questions and societal level problems that shouldn’t be addressed. Either they shouldn’t, because no one company should develop this certain particular idea or have control of it, or they’re too long, they’re not suited for profit, and so that’s what gave him the original idea for YC Research.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And, the first group within that was Open AI which is seeking to develop generalized artificial intelligence in an open source, not for profit environment. And I think he began to then think about what other types of questions like that do we want to</itunes:summary>
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                <content:encoded>What&amp;#39;s the latest with the basic income study piloted by Y Combinator Research? Jim and Owen sat down with Research Director Elizabeth Rhodes to find out. Rhodes shares insights from the initial pilot in Oakland and the much larger upcoming experiment. Rhodes details the goals and methods of these exciting, important studies.</content:encoded>
                
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                <itunes:title>Basic Income Q&amp;A: Inflation, Predatory Lending, and the Meaning of Work</itunes:title>
                <title>Basic Income Q&amp;A: Inflation, Predatory Lending, and the Meaning of Work</title>

                
                
                <itunes:author>Owen Poindexter, Jim Pugh</itunes:author>
                <itunes:subtitle>Jim and Owen take listener questions on some of the most common topics that come up around basic income. Will inflation eat away many of the benefits? Will we need to regulate predatory lending? How will labor rights change? And what does basic income me</itunes:subtitle>
                <itunes:summary>&lt;p&gt;Jim and Owen take listener questions on some of the most common topics that come up around basic income. Will inflation eat away many of the benefits? Will we need to regulate predatory lending? How will labor rights change? And what does basic income mean for the future of labor and the identity we place in our work? Keep the questions coming by sending them to the Universal Income Project on &lt;a href=&#34;https://www.facebook.com/universalincome/&#34; rel=&#34;nofollow&#34;&gt;Facebook&lt;/a&gt;, or to Jim (&lt;a href=&#34;https://twitter.com/dr_pugh&#34; rel=&#34;nofollow&#34;&gt;@dr_pugh&lt;/a&gt;) and Owen (&lt;a href=&#34;https://twitter.com/owenpoindexter&#34; rel=&#34;nofollow&#34;&gt;@owenpoindexter&lt;/a&gt;) on Twitter.&lt;/p&gt;
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                <itunes:title>Basic Income and the Disabled Community, feat. Annie Harper</itunes:title>
                <title>Basic Income and the Disabled Community, feat. Annie Harper</title>

                
                
                <itunes:author>Owen Poindexter, Jim Pugh</itunes:author>
                <itunes:subtitle>How would a basic income impact the disabled community? We delved into this question with social anthropologist Annie Harper of the Program for Recovery and Community Health, Yale School of Medicine. Harper, who works with mentally disabled people, descr</itunes:subtitle>
                <itunes:summary>&lt;p&gt;How would a basic income impact the disabled community? We delved into this question with s&lt;span&gt;ocial anthropologist Annie Harper of the Program for Recovery and Community Health, Yale School of Medicine. Harper, who works with mentally disabled people, describes the hopes and concerns a basic income offers.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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                <itunes:title>Human Profiles of Economic Insecurity, featuring Rachel Schneider</itunes:title>
                <title>Human Profiles of Economic Insecurity, featuring Rachel Schneider</title>

                
                
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                <itunes:subtitle>We often talk about economic insecurity at the statistical level, but how does it impact people’s lives day to day and month to month? Rachel Schneider and Jonathan Morduch examined this question by getting to know families who struggle with financ</itunes:subtitle>
                <itunes:summary>&lt;p&gt;We often talk about economic insecurity at the statistical level, but how does it impact people’s lives day to day and month to month? Rachel Schneider and Jonathan Morduch examined this question by getting to know families who struggle with financial security, and chronicled their findings in the eye opening book The Financial Diaries: How American Families Cope in a World of Insecurity. Schneider spoke with Jim and Owen about her findings and the sacrifices people make for financial stability.&lt;/p&gt;
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                <itunes:title>Basic Income at the City Level, Featuring Mark MacKinnon</itunes:title>
                <title>Basic Income at the City Level, Featuring Mark MacKinnon</title>

                
                
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                <itunes:subtitle>How would a basic income within a city affect how that city operates? To delve into this question, Jim and Owen spoke to Mark MacKinnon, City Councillor in Guelph, Ontario. The conversation ranges from the effects a basic income could have on local busin</itunes:subtitle>
                <itunes:summary>&lt;p&gt;How would a basic income within a city affect how that city operates? To delve into this question, Jim and Owen spoke to Mark MacKinnon, City Councillor in Guelph, Ontario. The conversation ranges from the effects a basic income could have on local businesses to how the political appetite might change for other city improvements. MacKinnon also touches on the basic income pilot that just began in three cities within Ontario.&lt;/p&gt;
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                <itunes:title>Basic Income Q&amp;A: How to Pay for It, Which Country Will Go First, and More</itunes:title>
                <title>Basic Income Q&amp;A: How to Pay for It, Which Country Will Go First, and More</title>

                
                
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                <itunes:subtitle>Jim and Owen answer listener questions from how to pay for basic income, which country will implement a basic income first and how we will get there. You can send your questions to the Universal Income Project on Facebook or Twitter, or tweet at Owen (@o</itunes:subtitle>
                <itunes:summary>&lt;p&gt;Jim and Owen answer listener questions from how to pay for basic income, which country will implement a basic income first and how we will get there. You can send your questions to the Universal Income Project on &lt;a href=&#34;https://www.facebook.com/universalincome/&#34; rel=&#34;nofollow&#34;&gt;Facebook&lt;/a&gt; or &lt;a href=&#34;https://twitter.com/UIProj&#34; rel=&#34;nofollow&#34;&gt;Twitter&lt;/a&gt;, or tweet at Owen (&lt;a href=&#34;https://twitter.com/owenpoindexter&#34; rel=&#34;nofollow&#34;&gt;@owenpoindexter&lt;/a&gt;) or Jim (&lt;a href=&#34;https://twitter.com/dr_pugh&#34; rel=&#34;nofollow&#34;&gt;@dr_pugh&lt;/a&gt;).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;———-&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;h2&gt;Episode Transcript&lt;/h2&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Owen:&lt;/strong&gt; Hello and welcome to the Basic Income Podcast. I’m Owen Poindexter.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jim:&lt;/strong&gt; And I’m Jim Pugh.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Owen:&lt;/strong&gt; A while back we asked you for questions about the basic income, and a number of you responded. In this episode, we are just going to go through a few of those.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jim:&lt;/strong&gt; Unfortunately, we’re not going to be able to get to everyone’s question, but we did have a few that we thought would be good ones to start with. Here goes.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Owen:&lt;/strong&gt; Alright. The first one is from Abigail Irwin, it came in through Facebook, “Here is the one big question I keep getting: how is it going to be funded?”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jim:&lt;/strong&gt; I would say for me as well, this is a question that people ask all the time. Since we’re talking about such a big program, people are naturally curious about, “Alright, where does the funding come from here?” One thing that I’ve mentioned before that I think is really important to remember is a lot of the conceptions we have right now about what the government “can or cannot afford” are really not based on reality.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That if you look at our economy and how much it’s grown over recent years, there’s actually so much money out there. Our Gross Domestic Product over the last 15 years has grown by four trillion dollars. Just taking a big picture snapshot, it’s important to know that there is money out there.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Owen:&lt;/strong&gt; Yes and on top of that, I’ll say that while I think it’s important to talk about how are we going to pay for things, the government is very willing to drop billions of dollars on some programs without having this discussion. It’s only around new big programs where we do say, “Okay, well, where is that money going to come from because we haven’t already baked that in.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jim:&lt;/strong&gt; We do see often around things like military spending, spending tens of billions of dollars ready at the drop of a hat is not uncommon, but as soon as we talk about billions or even hundreds of millions of dollars for social programs, people suddenly get very nervous about how we’re going to actually afford that.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Owen:&lt;/strong&gt; And getting more into, “okay, how is it going to be funded?” — obviously, there are a number of ways you could do it. If you structure it as a negative income tax, you could just have a tax that runs backwards essentially. At a certain income level, you receive money instead of pay money in. That’s one way to do it where you don’t have to touch anything else.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jim:&lt;/strong&gt; Something I would add to that is, with negative income tax, one concern that I know people have is that if you’re actually not giving the same amount to different people, that could complicate the logistics figuring out, “alright, how do we actually assess someone’s income in the moment and decide alright, how big is the check we mail to them?” You can actually accomplish exactly the same thing using the tax code. You can structure it so that you give everyone the same amount of money every month regardless of how much they’re making but then make sure that you’re actually clawing back more of that money earlier on, based on how much they’re making when you’r</itunes:summary>
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                <content:encoded>Jim and Owen answer listener questions from how to pay for basic income, which country will implement a basic income first and how we will get there. You can send your questions to the Universal Income Project on &lt;a href=&#34;https://www.facebook.com/universalincome/&#34; rel=&#34;nofollow&#34;&gt;Facebook&lt;/a&gt; or &lt;a href=&#34;https://twitter.com/UIProj&#34; rel=&#34;nofollow&#34;&gt;Twitter&lt;/a&gt;, or tweet at Owen (&lt;a href=&#34;https://twitter.com/owenpoindexter&#34; rel=&#34;nofollow&#34;&gt;@owenpoindexter&lt;/a&gt;) or Jim (&lt;a href=&#34;https://twitter.com/dr_pugh&#34; rel=&#34;nofollow&#34;&gt;@dr_pugh&lt;/a&gt;).</content:encoded>
                
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                <itunes:title>Malcolm Torry on Christianity and basic income</itunes:title>
                <title>Malcolm Torry on Christianity and basic income</title>

                
                
                <itunes:author>Owen Poindexter, Jim Pugh</itunes:author>
                <itunes:subtitle>We often hear about the economic and social motivations for universal basic income — but what about the moral and spiritual ones? Owen and Jim spoke to Dr. Malcolm Torry, author of Citizens Basic Income: A Christian Social Policy, about how providi</itunes:subtitle>
                <itunes:summary>&lt;p&gt;We often hear about the economic and social motivations for universal basic income — but what about the moral and spiritual ones? Owen and Jim spoke to Dr. Malcolm Torry, author of &lt;em&gt;Citizens Basic Income: A Christian Social Policy&lt;/em&gt;, about how providing a universal basic income is in line with the Christian faith.&lt;/p&gt;
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                <content:encoded>We often hear about the economic and social motivations for universal basic income — but what about the moral and spiritual ones? Owen and Jim spoke to Dr. Malcolm Torry, author of Citizens Basic Income: A Christian Social Policy, about how providing a universal basic income is in line with the Christian faith.</content:encoded>
                
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                <pubDate>Sat, 21 Oct 2017 22:38:41 &#43;0000</pubDate>
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                <itunes:title>A New Wave of Basic Income Projects, featuring the Economic Security Project</itunes:title>
                <title>A New Wave of Basic Income Projects, featuring the Economic Security Project</title>

                
                
                <itunes:author>Owen Poindexter, Jim Pugh</itunes:author>
                <itunes:subtitle>What new initiatives are starting in the basic income space? The Economic Security Project has funded a variety of exciting basic income projects and launched a few of its own. The project’s Co-Chair Natalie Foster and Special Initiatives Director</itunes:subtitle>
                <itunes:summary>&lt;p&gt;What new initiatives are starting in the basic income space? The Economic Security Project has funded a variety of exciting basic income projects and launched a few of its own. The project’s Co-Chair Natalie Foster and Special Initiatives Director Cara Rose DeFabio joined Jim for a live Q&amp;amp;A at an event in San Francisco, where they discussed exciting upcoming initiatives including the CASH Conference, an event put on by the Economic Security Project on October 19th.&lt;/p&gt;
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                <content:encoded>What new initiatives are starting in the basic income space? The Economic Security Project has funded a variety of exciting basic income projects and launched a few of its own. The project’s Co-Chair Natalie Foster and Special Initiatives Director Cara Rose DeFabio joined Jim for a live Q&amp;amp;A at an event in San Francisco, where […]</content:encoded>
                
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                <itunes:title>Basic Income, Jobs, and Joe Biden</itunes:title>
                <title>Basic Income, Jobs, and Joe Biden</title>

                
                
                <itunes:author>Owen Poindexter, Jim Pugh</itunes:author>
                <itunes:subtitle>Owen and Jim discuss Vice President Joe Biden’s recent objections to basic income, and the practical and philosophical points that come up around basic income and employment. They delve into why a basic income could be good for workers and how auto</itunes:subtitle>
                <itunes:summary>&lt;p&gt;Owen and Jim discuss Vice President Joe Biden’s recent objections to basic income, and the practical and philosophical points that come up around basic income and employment. They delve into why a basic income could be good for workers and how automation has both driven and skewed the basic income conversation. They also touch on the increasing precarity of today’s jobs and the highly valuable work that goes uncompensated.&lt;/p&gt;
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                <itunes:title>Organizing &amp; Building the Basic Income Movement, featuring Reetu Mody</itunes:title>
                <title>Organizing &amp; Building the Basic Income Movement, featuring Reetu Mody</title>

                
                
                <itunes:author>Owen Poindexter, Jim Pugh</itunes:author>
                <itunes:subtitle>How do we turn the excitement around basic income into political pressure and policy victories? Reetu Mody, Campaign Manager at Presente.org, joins Owen and Jim to discuss what a good organizing strategy around basic income would look like, and the group</itunes:subtitle>
                <itunes:summary>&lt;p&gt;How do we turn the excitement around basic income into political pressure and policy victories? Reetu Mody, Campaign Manager at &lt;a href=&#34;http://www.presente.org&#34; rel=&#34;nofollow&#34;&gt;Presente.org&lt;/a&gt;, joins Owen and Jim to discuss what a good organizing strategy around basic income would look like, and the groups that might form a coalition to advance basic income in the U.S.&lt;/p&gt;
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                <content:encoded>How do we turn the excitement around basic income into political pressure and policy victories? Reetu Mody, Campaign Manager at Presente.org, joins Owen and Jim to discuss what a good organizing strategy around basic income would look like, and the groups that might form a coalition to advance basic income in the U.S.</content:encoded>
                
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                <itunes:title>How Much Basic Income Would Really Cost, featuring Karl Widerquist</itunes:title>
                <title>How Much Basic Income Would Really Cost, featuring Karl Widerquist</title>

                
                
                <itunes:author>Owen Poindexter, Jim Pugh</itunes:author>
                <itunes:subtitle>How much would a basic income in the United States actually cost? What are the most common mistakes people make when calculating a basic income? To answer these questions, we spoke with Karl Widerquist, who has been studying and writing about basic incom</itunes:subtitle>
                <itunes:summary>&lt;p&gt;How much would a basic income in the United States actually cost? What are the most common mistakes people make when calculating a basic income? To answer these questions, we spoke with Karl Widerquist, who has been studying and writing about basic income for three decades. Widerquist recently published a “back of the envelope” calculation on basic income which produced some surprising results.&lt;/p&gt;
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                <content:encoded>How much would a basic income in the United States actually cost? What are the most common mistakes people make when calculating a basic income? To answer these questions, we spoke with Karl Widerquist, who has been studying and writing about basic income for three decades. Widerquist recently published a “back of the envelope” calculation […]</content:encoded>
                
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                <itunes:title>Running for Office on Basic Income, featuring Ingrid LaFleur</itunes:title>
                <title>Running for Office on Basic Income, featuring Ingrid LaFleur</title>

                
                
                <itunes:author>Owen Poindexter, Jim Pugh</itunes:author>
                <itunes:subtitle>As basic income becomes more of a topic in the media, it is finding its way into electoral politics as well. Owen and Jim speak with Detroit mayoral candidate Ingrid LaFleur, who included basic income as a key plank in her platform. LaFleur offers advice</itunes:subtitle>
                <itunes:summary>&lt;p&gt;As basic income becomes more of a topic in the media, it is finding its way into electoral politics as well. Owen and Jim speak with Detroit mayoral candidate Ingrid LaFleur, who included basic income as a key plank in her platform. LaFleur offers advice on how to approach a race as a basic income candidate, and shares some surprising reactions she got on the campaign trail.&lt;/p&gt;
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                <content:encoded>As basic income becomes more of a topic in the media, it is finding its way into electoral politics as well. Owen and Jim speak with Detroit mayoral candidate Ingrid LaFleur, who included basic income as a key plank in her platform. LaFleur offers advice on how to approach a race as a basic income […]</content:encoded>
                
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                <itunes:title>Why is Interest in Universal Basic Income Surging?</itunes:title>
                <title>Why is Interest in Universal Basic Income Surging?</title>

                
                
                <itunes:author>Owen Poindexter, Jim Pugh</itunes:author>
                <itunes:subtitle>Three years ago, few people had even heard of universal basic income. Now interest is growing across the country, and the idea is getting more exposure and support. What led to this shift? Owen and Jim delve into many of the factors at play, and discuss</itunes:subtitle>
                <itunes:summary>&lt;p&gt;Three years ago, few people had even heard of universal basic income. Now interest is growing across the country, and the idea is getting more exposure and support. What led to this shift? Owen and Jim delve into many of the factors at play, and discuss how we can take advantage of this moment.&lt;/p&gt;
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                <itunes:title>Universal income through a carbon dividend, featuring Peter Barnes</itunes:title>
                <title>Universal income through a carbon dividend, featuring Peter Barnes</title>

                
                
                <itunes:author>Owen Poindexter, Jim Pugh</itunes:author>
                <itunes:subtitle>One of the most popular stepping-stone policies towards universal basic income is the carbon dividend, which takes revenue from a cap-and-trade system and distributes it equally to everyone. Peter Barnes, pioneer of the carbon dividend, joins the Basic I</itunes:subtitle>
                <itunes:summary>&lt;p&gt;One of the most popular stepping-stone policies towards universal basic income is the carbon dividend, which takes revenue from a cap-and-trade system and distributes it equally to everyone. Peter Barnes, pioneer of the carbon dividend, joins the Basic Income Podcast to discuss his inspiration for the policy and how it could move us closer to basic income.&lt;/p&gt;
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                <content:encoded>One of the most popular stepping-stone policies towards universal basic income is the carbon dividend, which takes revenue from a cap-and-trade system and distributes it equally to everyone. Peter Barnes, pioneer of the carbon dividend, joins the Basic Income Podcast to discuss his inspiration for the policy and how it could move us closer to […]</content:encoded>
                
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                <itunes:title>Universal Basic Assets, featuring Marina Gorbis</itunes:title>
                <title>Universal Basic Assets, featuring Marina Gorbis</title>

                
                
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                <itunes:subtitle>When considering the impact of basic income, we usually think of it as a standalone policy — but there’s nothing stopping us from imagining UBI as one piece of a larger policy framework. In this episode, Marina Gorbis, Executive Director of I</itunes:subtitle>
                <itunes:summary>&lt;p&gt;When considering the impact of basic income, we usually think of it as a standalone policy — but there’s nothing stopping us from imagining UBI as one piece of a larger policy framework. In this episode, Marina Gorbis, Executive Director of Institute for the Future, shares her perspective on a comprehensive framework for the future: Universal Basic Assets.&lt;/p&gt;
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                <content:encoded>When considering the impact of basic income, we usually think of it as a standalone policy — but there’s nothing stopping us from imagining UBI as one piece of a larger policy framework. In this episode, Marina Gorbis, Executive Director of Institute for the Future, shares her perspective on a comprehensive framework for the future: […]</content:encoded>
                
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                <itunes:title>A California Climate Dividend Fund, featuring Senator Bob Wieckowski</itunes:title>
                <title>A California Climate Dividend Fund, featuring Senator Bob Wieckowski</title>

                
                
                <itunes:author>Owen Poindexter, Jim Pugh</itunes:author>
                <itunes:subtitle>California may be poised to take the next big step towards universal basic income, by establishing a universal dividend fund through a proposed reform of the state’s cap-and-trade system. State Senator Bob Wieckowski, author of the bill, spoke to O</itunes:subtitle>
                <itunes:summary>&lt;p&gt;California may be poised to take the next big step towards universal basic income, by establishing a universal dividend fund through a proposed reform of the state’s cap-and-trade system. State Senator Bob Wieckowski, author of the bill, spoke to Owen and Jim about the motivation behind the legislation and what it’ll take to get it passed.&lt;/p&gt;
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                <itunes:title>Zipcar Cofounder Robin Chase on UBI and the Emerging Economy</itunes:title>
                <title>Zipcar Cofounder Robin Chase on UBI and the Emerging Economy</title>

                
                
                <itunes:author>Owen Poindexter, Jim Pugh</itunes:author>
                <itunes:subtitle>We are watching the economy change before our eyes, and Zipcar Cofounder Robin Chase has been at the forefront of that change. She gives her observations on the platform economy, automation, self-driving cars, and how a basic income could be what smoothe</itunes:subtitle>
                <itunes:summary>&lt;p&gt;We are watching the economy change before our eyes, and Zipcar Cofounder Robin Chase has been at the forefront of that change. She gives her observations on the platform economy, automation, self-driving cars, and how a basic income could be what smoothes the transition as we move to a different type of relationship between people and their work.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;——&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;h2&gt;Episode Transcript&lt;/h2&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Owen:&lt;/strong&gt; Hello, and welcome to the Basic Income Podcast. I’m Owen Poindexter.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jim:&lt;/strong&gt; And I’m Jim Pugh. When people think about basic income, they often tie it to some future scenario where automation has drastically affected the way that the people work. But just thinking about how technology affects work is not something limited to the future — it’s actually something that exists today.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Owen:&lt;/strong&gt; I feel like automation and just the way that technology impacts employment and how people relate economically is something that comes on much more slowly than people tend to appreciate. And the self-driving cars may be a perfect example.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We think of them as this kind of futuristic thing that’s going to be a whole new product that looks pretty unlike what we have today. However, we’ve got automatic transmission, cruise control, a lot of cars have lane-keeping right now where it automatically stays in your lane, self-parking. The same kind of thing happens with the economy where recently more and more we have shared resources, the collaborative economy, the sharing economy. These are slowly chipping away at the legacy structures that have existed for decades.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jim:&lt;/strong&gt; There’s more and more companies out there that are adopting new approaches to the way that they employ people and the way that, really the conception of what a worker is. The people who are working in these companies really have a first-hand experience as to seeing what’s happening here and what impact it’s having on people’s lives and the economy at large.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Owen:&lt;/strong&gt; This week, we are very lucky to have someone who’s at the forefront of the new economy. Robin Chase is co-founder and former CEO of Zipcar and author of Peers Inc. Welcome, Robin.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Robin:&lt;/strong&gt; It’s a pleasure to be here.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jim:&lt;/strong&gt; To start with, Robin, can you tell us a bit about what first got you interested in universal basic income?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Robin:&lt;/strong&gt; When I was writing this book Peers Inc, I was thinking a lot about, I would say, the platform economy. I was understanding from a trend basis and from economic basis that everything that can become a platform will become a platform. That the outsourcing of workers — and I say that in a kind of negative way — is incredibly economically compelling. That companies that think of themselves as platforms grow faster, they learn faster, they are hyper-adaptive and hyper-localized. They’re very hard to beat. So if your company can take that shape, you’re going to take that shape.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We’re seeing it today. I was looking at something that was the top 50 innovative companies in the world. I would say 98% of them are what I would consider to be Peers Inc companies. Companies that are based on a platform with this satellite of assets that are outside of them. Once you understand that trend and internalize that trend, it says, “Whoa, oh my god.” We have completely structured our economy on the idea that people work full-time and get benefits full-time.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The fact is, I don’t know if that was ever true, maybe it was true in 1940, but it is not the economy that we’re seeing today. Our social safety nets and workplace rules have been tied around this aging idea, outdated idea of what work looks like and that is not the future. I’ve realized we really need to have a universal basic income.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I</itunes:summary>
                <description><![CDATA[We are watching the economy change before our eyes, and Zipcar Cofounder Robin Chase has been at the forefront of that change. She gives her observations on the platform economy, automation, self-driving cars, and how a basic income could be what smoothes the transition as we move to a different type of relationship between people and their work.]]></description>
                <content:encoded>We are watching the economy change before our eyes, and Zipcar Cofounder Robin Chase has been at the forefront of that change. She gives her observations on the platform economy, automation, self-driving cars, and how a basic income could be what smoothes the transition as we move to a different type of relationship between people and their work.</content:encoded>
                
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                <pubDate>Thu, 29 Jun 2017 04:58:03 &#43;0000</pubDate>
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                <itunes:title>Rep. Chris Lee on Basic Income Legislation in Hawaii</itunes:title>
                <title>Rep. Chris Lee on Basic Income Legislation in Hawaii</title>

                
                
                <itunes:author>Owen Poindexter, Jim Pugh</itunes:author>
                <itunes:subtitle>Last week, Hawaii became the first state to pass legislation on universal basic income, declaring that everyone in the state deserves basic financial security. The bill’s author, Representative Chris Lee, joined the Basic Income Podcast to discuss</itunes:subtitle>
                <itunes:summary>&lt;p&gt;Last week, Hawaii became the first state to pass legislation on universal basic income, declaring that everyone in the state deserves basic financial security. The bill’s author, Representative Chris Lee, joined the Basic Income Podcast to discuss the legislation and his views on basic income.&lt;/p&gt;
</itunes:summary>
                <description><![CDATA[Last week, Hawaii became the first state to pass legislation on universal basic income, declaring that everyone in the state deserves basic financial security. The bill’s author, Representative Chris Lee, joined the Basic Income Podcast to discuss the legislation and his views on basic income.]]></description>
                <content:encoded>Last week, Hawaii became the first state to pass legislation on universal basic income, declaring that everyone in the state deserves basic financial security. The bill’s author, Representative Chris Lee, joined the Basic Income Podcast to discuss the legislation and his views on basic income.</content:encoded>
                
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                <pubDate>Thu, 22 Jun 2017 22:48:23 &#43;0000</pubDate>
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                <itunes:title>Universal Basic Income &amp; Peace of Mind</itunes:title>
                <title>Universal Basic Income &amp; Peace of Mind</title>

                
                
                <itunes:author>Owen Poindexter, Jim Pugh</itunes:author>
                <itunes:subtitle>We often talk about what effect a universal basic income would have on financial stability, but what about our mental state? Jim and Owen delve into the research around poverty and cognition, and explore the differences between an abundance mindset and a</itunes:subtitle>
                <itunes:summary>&lt;p&gt;We often talk about what effect a universal basic income would have on financial stability, but what about our mental state? Jim and Owen delve into the research around poverty and cognition, and explore the differences between an abundance mindset and a scarcity mindset.&lt;/p&gt;
</itunes:summary>
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                <content:encoded>We often talk about what effect a universal basic income would have on financial stability, but what about our mental state? Jim and Owen delve into the research around poverty and cognition, and explore the differences between an abundance mindset and a scarcity mindset.</content:encoded>
                
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                <pubDate>Mon, 12 Jun 2017 19:10:09 &#43;0000</pubDate>
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                <itunes:title>Dorian Warren on Basic Income and Racial Justice</itunes:title>
                <title>Dorian Warren on Basic Income and Racial Justice</title>

                
                
                <itunes:author>Owen Poindexter, Jim Pugh</itunes:author>
                <itunes:subtitle>With so many universal programs designed to fight poverty, why do poverty rates still skew along racial lines? And how might a universal basic income solve some of these problems? Dorian Warren, President of the Center for Community Change Action, a Fell</itunes:subtitle>
                <itunes:summary>&lt;p&gt;With so many universal programs designed to fight poverty, why do poverty rates still skew along racial lines? And how might a universal basic income solve some of these problems? Dorian Warren, &lt;span&gt;President of the Center for Community Change Action, a Fellow at the Roosevelt Institute and Co-chair of the Economic Security Project, joins Jim and Owen to discuss these issues and his UBI&#43; proposal.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
</itunes:summary>
                <description><![CDATA[With so many universal programs designed to fight poverty, why do poverty rates still skew along racial lines? And how might a universal basic income solve some of these problems? Dorian Warren, President of the Center for Community Change Action, a Fellow at the Roosevelt Institute and Co-chair of the Economic Security Project, joins Jim and Owen […]]]></description>
                <content:encoded>With so many universal programs designed to fight poverty, why do poverty rates still skew along racial lines? And how might a universal basic income solve some of these problems? Dorian Warren, President of the Center for Community Change Action, a Fellow at the Roosevelt Institute and Co-chair of the Economic Security Project, joins Jim and Owen […]</content:encoded>
                
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                <pubDate>Tue, 06 Jun 2017 17:52:16 &#43;0000</pubDate>
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                <itunes:duration>1585</itunes:duration>
                
                
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                <itunes:title>Jared Bernstein on Basic Income vs. a Jobs Guarantee</itunes:title>
                <title>Jared Bernstein on Basic Income vs. a Jobs Guarantee</title>

                
                
                <itunes:author>Owen Poindexter, Jim Pugh</itunes:author>
                <itunes:subtitle>Jim continues the discussion started on the Intelligence Squared debate over basic income with Jared Bernstein, who argued against the basic income. Bernstein explains various concerns he has with the concept, focusing on existing social programs, and a</itunes:subtitle>
                <itunes:summary>&lt;p&gt;Jim continues the discussion started on the Intelligence Squared debate over basic income with Jared Bernstein, who argued against the basic income. Bernstein explains various concerns he has with the concept, focusing on existing social programs, and a similarly radical proposal: a jobs guarantee. Bernstein is a Senior Fellow at the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities and served as Chief Economist and Economic Adviser to Vice President Joseph Biden from 2009-2011.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;——&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;h2&gt;Episode Transcript&lt;/h2&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Owen:&lt;/strong&gt; Hello, and welcome to the Basic Income Podcast. I’m Owen Poindexter.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jim:&lt;/strong&gt; And I’m Jim Pugh.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Owen:&lt;/strong&gt; In every episode we’ve done, whether we’re talking to an artist, a politician, an activist, everyone has been a supporter of the basic income. But this week, we actually have a dissenter.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jim:&lt;/strong&gt; A couple months back, there was a debate on basic income that was organized by Intelligence Squared. It put Andy Stern and Charles Murray arguing for basic income up against Jared Bernstein and Jason Furman argument against it. Most of the debate focused on the pros and cons of universal basic income, but one thing that popped up was Jared Bernstein mentioned that he was actually a fan of a jobs guarantee program, which would be another ambitious plan that falls pretty far outside of the scope of the legislation that has been considered in the US, also aimed at providing economic security, but looking different than something like an unconditional basic income.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Owen:&lt;/strong&gt; Jim sat down with Jared Bernstein and discussed their feelings on the basic income and the jobs guarantee and a bunch of other topics. From my listening, I found that Jared Bernstein has a lot of the same goals and a lot of the same perspectives as people in the basic income movement but comes at them from something of a different angle and different experience and that comes out in the conversation. Without further ado, this is Jim Pugh and Jared Bernstein on the Basic Income Podcast.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jim:&lt;/strong&gt; I am here with Jared Bernstein, a Senior Fellow at the Center for Budget and Policy Priorities. Jared, thank you for joining us.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jared:&lt;/strong&gt; Thanks for inviting me.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jim:&lt;/strong&gt; Many of our listeners may have seen the basic income debate that was held by Intelligence Squared back in March between Andy Stern and Charles Murray arguing for a basic income as the social safety net of the future, and then you and Jason Furman arguing against that idea. One of the things you mentioned there was the idea of a jobs guarantee program in the US. I’m just curious, can you tell us a little bit more about how you think a program like that might work?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jared:&lt;/strong&gt; Well, sure. Let me start by saying a little bit about why I think we need it. As we speak, the unemployment rate is quite low nationally. It’s 4.4% and most economists, and I’m someone who thinks about the questions of full employment a lot, will tell you that’s full employment. That’s certainly what the Federal Reserve would say. In fact, we know that there are pockets of weak labor demand where even at a low national unemployment rate, there are parts of the country where people can’t find enough work. I’ve observed that even at full employment, sometimes, the labor demand is insufficient.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You need to think about a program to fill that gap. The way I think of it is we all agree or at least the economics community agrees that when credit markets freeze up, you need a lender of last resort, and that’s the federal reserve. Well, when the job market fails to provide adequate opportunities for all of commerce, I think you need a job creator of last resort. There’s a couple of different ways to do that which I can get into in a minute. I just wanted t</itunes:summary>
                <description><![CDATA[Jim continues the discussion started on the Intelligence Squared debate over basic income with Jared Bernstein, who argued against the basic income. Bernstein explains various concerns he has with the concept, focusing on existing social programs, and a similarly radical proposal: a jobs guarantee. Bernstein is a Senior Fellow at the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities and served as Chief Economist and Economic Adviser to Vice President Joseph Biden from 2009-2011.]]></description>
                <content:encoded>Jim continues the discussion started on the Intelligence Squared debate over basic income with Jared Bernstein, who argued against the basic income. Bernstein explains various concerns he has with the concept, focusing on existing social programs, and a similarly radical proposal: a jobs guarantee. Bernstein is a Senior Fellow at the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities and served as Chief Economist and Economic Adviser to Vice President Joseph Biden from 2009-2011.</content:encoded>
                
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                <pubDate>Wed, 31 May 2017 20:00:16 &#43;0000</pubDate>
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                <itunes:title>The Bootstraps Basic Income Documentary</itunes:title>
                <title>The Bootstraps Basic Income Documentary</title>

                
                
                <itunes:author>Owen Poindexter, Jim Pugh</itunes:author>
                <itunes:subtitle>We talk with Conrad Shaw and Deia Schlosberg, co-creators of an ambitious film, Bootstraps, that will crowdfund and donate a basic income to multiple people and then follow the recipients to see how it changes their lives. Hear what inspired them to emba</itunes:subtitle>
                <itunes:summary>&lt;p&gt;We talk with Conrad Shaw and Deia Schlosberg, co-creators of an ambitious film, Bootstraps, that will crowdfund and donate a basic income to multiple people and then follow the recipients to see how it changes their lives. Hear what inspired them to embark on this multi-faceted project and donate to their crowdfunding campaign here:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;https://handup.org/campaigns/bootstraps&lt;/p&gt;
</itunes:summary>
                <description><![CDATA[We talk with Conrad Shaw and Deia Schlosberg, co-creators of an ambitious film, Bootstraps, that will crowdfund and donate a basic income to multiple people and then follow the recipients to see how it changes their lives. Hear what inspired them to embark on this multi-faceted project and donate to their crowdfunding campaign here: https://handup.org/campaigns/bootstraps]]></description>
                <content:encoded>We talk with Conrad Shaw and Deia Schlosberg, co-creators of an ambitious film, Bootstraps, that will crowdfund and donate a basic income to multiple people and then follow the recipients to see how it changes their lives. Hear what inspired them to embark on this multi-faceted project and donate to their crowdfunding campaign here: https://handup.org/campaigns/bootstraps</content:encoded>
                
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                <pubDate>Tue, 23 May 2017 20:49:26 &#43;0000</pubDate>
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                <itunes:duration>1023</itunes:duration>
                
                
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                <itunes:title>Dr. Evelyn Forget on Mincome &amp; Basic Income in Canada</itunes:title>
                <title>Dr. Evelyn Forget on Mincome &amp; Basic Income in Canada</title>

                
                
                <itunes:author>Owen Poindexter, Jim Pugh</itunes:author>
                <itunes:subtitle>Canada’s basic income trials in trials in the 70s–the “Mincome” experiments–were largely forgotten until Dr. Evelyn Forget found records of the Mincome trials and individuals who had received a basic income. She discusses wh</itunes:subtitle>
                <itunes:summary>&lt;p&gt;Canada’s basic income trials in trials in the 70s–the “Mincome” experiments–were largely forgotten until Dr. Evelyn Forget found records of the Mincome trials and individuals who had received a basic income. She discusses what she found, and the implications for Canada’s upcoming trials in Ontario.&lt;/p&gt;
</itunes:summary>
                <description><![CDATA[Canada’s basic income trials in trials in the 70s–the “Mincome” experiments–were largely forgotten until Dr. Evelyn Forget found records of the Mincome trials and individuals who had received a basic income. She discusses what she found, and the implications for Canada’s upcoming trials in Ontario.]]></description>
                <content:encoded>Canada’s basic income trials in trials in the 70s–the “Mincome” experiments–were largely forgotten until Dr. Evelyn Forget found records of the Mincome trials and individuals who had received a basic income. She discusses what she found, and the implications for Canada’s upcoming trials in Ontario.</content:encoded>
                
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                <pubDate>Tue, 16 May 2017 17:45:16 &#43;0000</pubDate>
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                <itunes:title>Basic Income vs. The Status Quo</itunes:title>
                <title>Basic Income vs. The Status Quo</title>

                
                
                <itunes:author>Owen Poindexter, Jim Pugh</itunes:author>
                <itunes:subtitle>Most arguments against the basic income can be summed up in two words: status quo. Owen and Jim explore the thinking behind some of the most common objections to the basic income and why these arguments are understandable but ultimately shortsighted.</itunes:subtitle>
                <itunes:summary>&lt;p&gt;Most arguments against the basic income can be summed up in two words: “status quo.” Owen and Jim explore the thinking behind some of the most common objections to the basic income and why these arguments are understandable but ultimately shortsighted.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;——&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;h2&gt;Episode Transcript&lt;/h2&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Owen:&lt;/strong&gt; Hello, and welcome to the Basic Income Podcast. I’m Owen Poindexter.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jim:&lt;/strong&gt; And I’m Jim Pugh. Today, we are going to be having a discussion episode.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Owen:&lt;/strong&gt; We’re going to be tackling some of the issues around how the basic income bumps up against the status quo.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jim:&lt;/strong&gt; I really see status quo broadly as one of the biggest obstacles. When I talk to people about basic income usually with a long conversation, once they get past some initial hurdles, they think if not that is a great idea, at least, that the idea has some merit for further exploration.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Owen:&lt;/strong&gt; Yes, in fact, I think you could sum up almost every objection to the basic income with the word status quo just with different details inserted based on who’s doing the talking.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jim:&lt;/strong&gt; We’re going to try to delve into some of the key areas where it seems like status quo thinking is really creating a barrier to people accepting or even sometimes recognizing how the idea could actually be really helpful.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;One of the first ones that I have seen often is those people who have more of an incremental vision on how policy progresses thinking that the way we’re going to make progress is by making small tweaks to the programs we have today, rather than exploring big new ideas that very much differ from what we have right now.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Owen:&lt;/strong&gt; Honestly, I think we saw this in the last election. There is a strong political appeal to big wholesale ideas that present a vision that is very clear and is maybe different from what we have right now.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jim:&lt;/strong&gt; I think if you’ve been particularly operating in Washington for the last 5, 10, 20 years, just because there hasn’t been an opportunity to implement big policy, it’s very easy to get caught up in the thinking that that will persist indefinitely.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Owen:&lt;/strong&gt; One of the first things I hear is like, “Well, sounds like a nice idea, but that’ll never pass Congress.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jim:&lt;/strong&gt; Yes, exactly. I think one of the recent examples that really stood out is, for those of our listeners who saw the Intelligence Squared debate between Andy Stern and Charles Murray arguing for basic income against Jared Bernstein and Jason Furman, both economists from the Obama administration. If you looked at the arguments that were being made almost all of them boil down to, “This is too big. We have to come at these problems in smaller ways that more resemble what we have today, and that something as radical as what you’re proposing just doesn’t make sense.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Owen:&lt;/strong&gt; Right, because most people aren’t thinking like, “Okay, what politically could be accomplished in 10, 20 years.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jim:&lt;/strong&gt; I will say that I have noticed a pretty marked shift in recent months that seemed to coincide and likely be caused by the November elections. I think that’s a lot of, what was standard conventional wisdom leading up to that got thrown out the window, and suddenly, a whole lot more people are willing to consider that maybe some things that are much different than they are today might actually be quite possible.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Owen:&lt;/strong&gt; One thing that we should keep in mind is that even though yes, there is this grand vision of a universal unconditional basic income, you will still have to have stepping stone policies along the way. For instance, we’re currently very excited about the trials go</itunes:summary>
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                <content:encoded>Most arguments against the basic income can be summed up in two words: &amp;#34;status quo.&amp;#34; Owen and Jim explore the thinking behind some of the most common objections to the basic income and why these arguments are understandable but ultimately shortsighted.</content:encoded>
                
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                <pubDate>Mon, 08 May 2017 05:09:18 &#43;0000</pubDate>
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                <itunes:title>Senator Art Eggleton on the Ontario Basic Income Pilot</itunes:title>
                <title>Senator Art Eggleton on the Ontario Basic Income Pilot</title>

                
                
                <itunes:author>Owen Poindexter, Jim Pugh</itunes:author>
                <itunes:subtitle>We spoke with Senator Art Eggleton of Ontario on the upcoming pilot program, which will supply a basic income to 4,000 people in three cities across the province of Ontario. Eggleton described the rationale for the trial and where we might see future bas</itunes:subtitle>
                <itunes:summary>&lt;p&gt;We spoke with Senator Art Eggleton of Ontario on the upcoming pilot program, which will supply a basic income to 4,000 people in three cities across the province of Ontario. Eggleton described the rationale for the trial and where we might see future basic income experiments across Canada.&lt;/p&gt;
</itunes:summary>
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                <content:encoded>We spoke with Senator Art Eggleton of Ontario on the upcoming pilot program, which will supply a basic income to 4,000 people in three cities across the province of Ontario. Eggleton described the rationale for the trial and where we might see future basic income experiments across Canada.</content:encoded>
                
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                <pubDate>Mon, 01 May 2017 16:47:29 &#43;0000</pubDate>
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                <itunes:title>Annie Lowrey on the Basic Income in Kenya &amp; the Power of Cash Transfers</itunes:title>
                <title>Annie Lowrey on the Basic Income in Kenya &amp; the Power of Cash Transfers</title>

                
                
                <itunes:author>Owen Poindexter, Jim Pugh</itunes:author>
                <itunes:subtitle>Annie Lowrey, writer for the Atlantic, discusses her trip to Kenya to cover GiveDirectly’s village-wide basic income trial for the New York Times Magazine. Lowrey explains the move in the aid community toward cash transfers and away from tangible i</itunes:subtitle>
                <itunes:summary>&lt;p&gt;Annie Lowrey, writer for the Atlantic, discusses her trip to Kenya to cover GiveDirectly’s village-wide basic income trial for the New York Times Magazine. Lowrey explains the move in the aid community toward cash transfers and away from tangible items, such as cows, medicine or sports equipment. She also describes the moment when the village learned that they will be receiving an unconditional basic income, and the visual transformation that happens to villages where at least some citizens have received cash transfers.&lt;/p&gt;
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                <content:encoded>Annie Lowrey, writer for the Atlantic, discusses her trip to Kenya to cover GiveDirectly’s village-wide basic income trial for the New York Times Magazine. Lowrey explains the move in the aid community toward cash transfers and away from tangible items, such as cows, medicine or sports equipment. She also describes the moment when the village learned […]</content:encoded>
                
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                <pubDate>Fri, 14 Apr 2017 18:06:28 &#43;0000</pubDate>
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                <itunes:title>The 2017 Basic Income Create-a-thon in San Francisco</itunes:title>
                <title>The 2017 Basic Income Create-a-thon in San Francisco</title>

                
                
                <itunes:author>Owen Poindexter, Jim Pugh</itunes:author>
                <itunes:subtitle>From March 24-26th, the Universal Income Project hosted a Basic Income Create-a-thon. This is a dedicated time for artists, activists, coders, writers, politicians and many more to work on projects that advance the basic income movement. Projects ranged</itunes:subtitle>
                <itunes:summary>&lt;p&gt;From March 24-26th, the Universal Income Project hosted a Basic Income Create-a-thon. This is a dedicated time for artists, activists, coders, writers, politicians and many more to work on projects that advance the basic income movement. Projects ranged from a giant sign hung outside a busy train station to a software platform that allows small groups to establish their own basic income.&lt;/p&gt;
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                <content:encoded>From March 24-26th, the Universal Income Project hosted a Basic Income Create-a-thon. This is a dedicated time for artists, activists, coders, writers, politicians and many more to work on projects that advance the basic income movement. Projects ranged from a giant sign hung outside a busy train station to a software platform that allows small […]</content:encoded>
                
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                <pubDate>Thu, 30 Mar 2017 20:47:39 &#43;0000</pubDate>
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                <itunes:duration>2014</itunes:duration>
                
                
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                <itunes:title>The Finland Basic Income Experiment with Roope Mokka</itunes:title>
                <title>The Finland Basic Income Experiment with Roope Mokka</title>

                
                
                <itunes:author>Owen Poindexter, Jim Pugh</itunes:author>
                <itunes:subtitle>We talk a lot about hypotheticals when it comes to the universal basic income, but with Finland, we don’t have to. Finland is instituting a basic income on a trial basis in place of unemployment benefits for certain citizens. Roope Mokka, Cofounder</itunes:subtitle>
                <itunes:summary>&lt;p&gt;We talk a lot about hypotheticals when it comes to the universal basic income, but with Finland, we don’t have to. Finland is instituting a basic income on a trial basis in place of unemployment benefits for certain citizens. Roope Mokka, Cofounder of Demos Helsinki, explains why this move will encourage recipients to find work, and what is next for the basic income in Finland.&lt;/p&gt;
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                <description><![CDATA[We talk a lot about hypotheticals when it comes to the universal basic income, but with Finland, we don’t have to. Finland is instituting a basic income on a trial basis in place of unemployment benefits for certain citizens. Roope Mokka, Cofounder of Demos Helsinki, explains why this move will encourage recipients to find work, and […]]]></description>
                <content:encoded>We talk a lot about hypotheticals when it comes to the universal basic income, but with Finland, we don’t have to. Finland is instituting a basic income on a trial basis in place of unemployment benefits for certain citizens. Roope Mokka, Cofounder of Demos Helsinki, explains why this move will encourage recipients to find work, and […]</content:encoded>
                
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                <pubDate>Fri, 17 Mar 2017 23:31:10 &#43;0000</pubDate>
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                <itunes:duration>1151</itunes:duration>
                
                
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                <itunes:title>Enno Schmidt on the Swiss Basic Income Campaign</itunes:title>
                <title>Enno Schmidt on the Swiss Basic Income Campaign</title>

                
                
                <itunes:author>Owen Poindexter, Jim Pugh</itunes:author>
                <itunes:subtitle>Enno Schmidt, co-founder of the Swiss campaign to enact a countrywide basic income, joined us in San Francisco for a live event about his groundbreaking campaign. Schmidt spoke about the unique design of the Swiss campaign, and why they chose to invest i</itunes:subtitle>
                <itunes:summary>&lt;p&gt;Enno Schmidt, co-founder of the Swiss campaign to enact a countrywide basic income, joined us in San Francisco for a live event about his groundbreaking campaign. Schmidt spoke about the unique design of the Swiss campaign, and why they chose to invest in stunning, eye-catching images. He was interviewed by Co-Director of the Universal Income Project Sandhya Anantharaman.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“Two people is all it takes to start a revolution.”&lt;/p&gt;
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                <description><![CDATA[Enno Schmidt, co-founder of the Swiss campaign to enact a countrywide basic income, joined us in San Francisco for a live event about his groundbreaking campaign. Schmidt spoke about the unique design of the Swiss campaign, and why they chose to invest in stunning, eye-catching images. He was interviewed by Co-Director of the Universal Income Project Sandhya […]]]></description>
                <content:encoded>Enno Schmidt, co-founder of the Swiss campaign to enact a countrywide basic income, joined us in San Francisco for a live event about his groundbreaking campaign. Schmidt spoke about the unique design of the Swiss campaign, and why they chose to invest in stunning, eye-catching images. He was interviewed by Co-Director of the Universal Income Project Sandhya […]</content:encoded>
                
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                <pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2017 21:00:18 &#43;0000</pubDate>
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                <itunes:title>MacArthur Fellow Ai-jen Poo on What Basic Income Would Mean to Domestic Workers</itunes:title>
                <title>MacArthur Fellow Ai-jen Poo on What Basic Income Would Mean to Domestic Workers</title>

                
                
                <itunes:author>Owen Poindexter, Jim Pugh</itunes:author>
                <itunes:subtitle>Ai-jen Poo, Director of the National Domestic Workers Alliance, Co-director of Caring Across Generations, and MacArthur Genius Award recipient discusses the challenges faced by domestic workers in the U.S. and how a basic income could dramatically change</itunes:subtitle>
                <itunes:summary>&lt;p&gt;Ai-jen Poo, Director of the National Domestic Workers Alliance, Co-director of Caring Across Generations, and MacArthur Genius Award recipient discusses the challenges faced by domestic workers in the U.S. and how a basic income could dramatically change things in that space.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;——&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;h2&gt;Episode Transcript&lt;/h2&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Owen:&lt;/strong&gt; Hello, and welcome to the Basic Income Podcast. I’m Owen Poindexter.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jim:&lt;/strong&gt; And I’m Jim Pugh.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Owen:&lt;/strong&gt; Our guest this week is Ai-jen Poo. She’s the executive director of the National Domestic Workers Alliance, recipient of the MacArthur Genius Grant, and co-director of Caring Across Generations. Welcome, Ai-jen.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Ai-jen:&lt;/strong&gt; Thank you, great to be with you.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Owen:&lt;/strong&gt; Why don’t you start by telling us about the National Domestic Workers Alliance and the work you do there?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Ai-jen:&lt;/strong&gt; Sure. My work is alongside the millions of workers, mostly women, who go to work every day in our homes, and they care for some of the most important parts of our lives, our kids, our aging loved ones in our homes. They make it possible for millions of us to go to work every day knowing that our families are in good hands. Our work is really about making sure that this work is valued, respected, and protected, and, for the millions of workers who do this work, to be able to know that these jobs are good jobs with family-sustaining incomes and jobs that you can really take pride in and support your family on and one generation can do better than the next.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Now one of the things that started happening about five years ago is we started realizing that this workforce is growing at an incredibly rapid pace and that has to do with some pretty major trends in our demographics and in families and in our workforce.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;To be clear about what those are, essentially the Baby Boomer generation which is this massive generation, culture-driving generation is aging rapidly at a rate of four million people per year turning 70 and also living longer than ever before because of advances in healthcare and technology. Then the Millennial generation which is the largest generation in history and most diverse, by the way, is also starting to have families of their own, turning 35, and having four million babies per year.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We suddenly need more care than ever before and therefore a stronger caregiving workforce. My work has been, especially now that we’ve launched this Caring Across Generations effort, it’s about creating the kind of solutions that allow for families to afford and have access to good care while making sure that the workforce that does the care has the respect and the kinds of quality jobs they deserve.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jim:&lt;/strong&gt; Can you tell us a bit about what are some of the biggest challenges that are facing domestic workers today?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Ai-jen:&lt;/strong&gt; Sure. We still in the 21st century, have a hard time really treating this work as real work. It’s oftentimes referred to as help or companionship, and what that results in is this way in which this work remains in the shadows. Despite it being a real profession for millions of people, it’s treated as less than real work and that limits our ability to get access to the kinds of training and benefits and security that we deserve, and it certainly is reflected in the wages.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;A lot of people don’t realize this, but for example, for the home care workforce which cares for the elderly and people with disabilities, the annual median income for a homecare worker is $13,000 per year. That is so far from a family-sustaining wage and so you think about these millions of workers who are working incredibly hard, doing incredibly important work, and earning poverty wages. That’s the lot for so much of our workforce.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jim:&lt;/strong&gt; Can you tell us a little b</itunes:summary>
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                <content:encoded>Ai-jen Poo, Director of the National Domestic Workers Alliance, Co-director of Caring Across Generations, and MacArthur Genius Award recipient discusses the challenges faced by domestic workers in the U.S. and how a basic income could dramatically change things in that space.</content:encoded>
                
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                <itunes:title>Roy Bahat, Head of Bloomberg Beta, on Innovation and Basic Income</itunes:title>
                <title>Roy Bahat, Head of Bloomberg Beta, on Innovation and Basic Income</title>

                
                
                <itunes:author>Owen Poindexter, Jim Pugh</itunes:author>
                <itunes:subtitle>Roy Bahat, Head of Bloomberg Beta, discusses the future of employment and why a universal basic income could spur innovation. He also discusses the mental leaps it requires to wrap our minds around the basic income, and what we can do to help others to m</itunes:subtitle>
                <itunes:summary>&lt;p&gt;Roy Bahat, Head of Bloomberg Beta, discusses the future of employment and why a universal basic income could spur innovation. He also discusses the mental leaps it requires to wrap our minds around the basic income, and what we can do to help others to make those leaps.&lt;/p&gt;
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                <description><![CDATA[Roy Bahat, Head of Bloomberg Beta, discusses the future of employment and why a universal basic income could spur innovation. He also discusses the mental leaps it requires to wrap our minds around the basic income, and what we can do to help others to make those leaps.]]></description>
                <content:encoded>Roy Bahat, Head of Bloomberg Beta, discusses the future of employment and why a universal basic income could spur innovation. He also discusses the mental leaps it requires to wrap our minds around the basic income, and what we can do to help others to make those leaps.</content:encoded>
                
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                <pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2017 20:58:51 &#43;0000</pubDate>
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                <itunes:duration>1047</itunes:duration>
                
                
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                <itunes:title>Steps to Making Basic Income a Reality in the U.S.</itunes:title>
                <title>Steps to Making Basic Income a Reality in the U.S.</title>

                
                
                <itunes:author>Owen Poindexter, Jim Pugh</itunes:author>
                <itunes:subtitle>Jim Pugh, Sandhya Anantharaman and Owen Poindexter discuss the key stepping stones needed to bring the basic income from an idea to a reality. From media exposure, to pilot studies, to political pressure, they explore various ways to move the UBI movemen</itunes:subtitle>
                <itunes:summary>&lt;p&gt;Jim Pugh, Sandhya Anantharaman and Owen Poindexter discuss the key stepping stones needed to bring the basic income from an idea to a reality. From media exposure, to pilot studies, to political pressure, they explore various ways to move the UBI movement forward.&lt;/p&gt;
</itunes:summary>
                <description><![CDATA[Jim Pugh, Sandhya Anantharaman and Owen Poindexter discuss the key stepping stones needed to bring the basic income from an idea to a reality. From media exposure, to pilot studies, to political pressure, they explore various ways to move the UBI movement forward.]]></description>
                <content:encoded>Jim Pugh, Sandhya Anantharaman and Owen Poindexter discuss the key stepping stones needed to bring the basic income from an idea to a reality. From media exposure, to pilot studies, to political pressure, they explore various ways to move the UBI movement forward.</content:encoded>
                
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                <itunes:title>Alexis Frasz on what the Basic Income would mean to the Arts Community</itunes:title>
                <title>Alexis Frasz on what the Basic Income would mean to the Arts Community</title>

                
                
                <itunes:author>Owen Poindexter, Jim Pugh</itunes:author>
                <itunes:subtitle>What would a basic income mean for artists? Jim and Alexis Frasz delve into this topic in this insightful interview. Alexis Frasz has worked as a researcher, creative strategist and consultant in the arts and cultural sector for over a decade. Since 2007</itunes:subtitle>
                <itunes:summary>&lt;p&gt;What would a basic income mean for artists? Jim and Alexis Frasz delve into this topic in this insightful interview. Alexis Frasz&lt;span&gt; has worked as a researcher, creative strategist and consultant in the arts and cultural sector for over a decade. Since 2007 she has been a lead researcher and strategist with Helicon Collaborative, an organization seeking to elevate the role of culture in making communities better places for all people – more vital, sustainable and just. She currently leads strategic initiatives on the role of culture in environmental sustainability, cultural equity, and reclaiming the role of beauty in individual and societal health. Alexis serves on the board of Food Shift, a Bay Area nonprofit organization working to end food waste and hunger, and is on the advisory committee for the Headlands Center for the Arts. She has a degree in cultural anthropology from Princeton University and has pursued Masters level studies in Chinese Medicine.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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                <description><![CDATA[What would a basic income mean for artists? Jim and Alexis Frasz delve into this topic in this insightful interview. Alexis Frasz has worked as a researcher, creative strategist and consultant in the arts and cultural sector for over a decade. Since 2007 she has been a lead researcher and strategist with Helicon Collaborative, an organization seeking […]]]></description>
                <content:encoded>What would a basic income mean for artists? Jim and Alexis Frasz delve into this topic in this insightful interview. Alexis Frasz has worked as a researcher, creative strategist and consultant in the arts and cultural sector for over a decade. Since 2007 she has been a lead researcher and strategist with Helicon Collaborative, an organization seeking […]</content:encoded>
                
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                <pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2017 15:52:55 &#43;0000</pubDate>
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                <itunes:title>Sean Kline, Director of the San Francisco Office of Financial Empowerment</itunes:title>
                <title>Sean Kline, Director of the San Francisco Office of Financial Empowerment</title>

                
                
                <itunes:author>Owen Poindexter, Jim Pugh</itunes:author>
                <itunes:subtitle>Sean Kline is a public servant who is not afraid to speak openly about his support for the basic income. Hear about his work at the San Francisco Office of Financial Empowerment and his ideas about bringing a basic income to U.S. cities.</itunes:subtitle>
                <itunes:summary>&lt;p&gt;Sean Kline is a public servant who is not afraid to speak openly about his support for the basic income. Hear about his work at the San Francisco Office of Financial Empowerment and his ideas about bringing a basic income to U.S. cities.&lt;/p&gt;
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                <content:encoded>Sean Kline is a public servant who is not afraid to speak openly about his support for the basic income. Hear about his work at the San Francisco Office of Financial Empowerment and his ideas about bringing a basic income to U.S. cities.</content:encoded>
                
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                <pubDate>Fri, 30 Dec 2016 04:55:03 &#43;0000</pubDate>
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                <itunes:title>Basic Income vs Basic Capital with Juliana Bidadanure</itunes:title>
                <title>Basic Income vs Basic Capital with Juliana Bidadanure</title>

                
                
                <itunes:author>Owen Poindexter, Jim Pugh</itunes:author>
                <itunes:subtitle>An interview with Juliana Bidadanure, Assistant Professor in Philosophy, Stanford University, on basic income, basic capital and more.</itunes:subtitle>
                <itunes:summary>&lt;p&gt;An interview with Juliana Bidadanure, Assistant Professor in Philosophy, Stanford University, on basic income, basic capital and more.&lt;/p&gt;
</itunes:summary>
                <description><![CDATA[An interview with Juliana Bidadanure, Assistant Professor in Philosophy, Stanford University, on basic income, basic capital and more.]]></description>
                <content:encoded>An interview with Juliana Bidadanure, Assistant Professor in Philosophy, Stanford University, on basic income, basic capital and more.</content:encoded>
                
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                <pubDate>Sun, 18 Dec 2016 05:32:40 &#43;0000</pubDate>
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                <itunes:title>Former SEIU President Andy Stern</itunes:title>
                <title>Former SEIU President Andy Stern</title>

                
                
                <itunes:author>Owen Poindexter, Jim Pugh</itunes:author>
                <itunes:subtitle>Andy Stern, one of America’s most influential organizers and activists, describes his time as SEIU President, why he stepped down and eventually turned to the basic income as a policy solution for the new economy. Stern is the author of Raising the</itunes:subtitle>
                <itunes:summary>&lt;p&gt;Andy Stern, one of America’s most influential organizers and activists, describes his time as SEIU President, why he stepped down and eventually turned to the basic income as a policy solution for the new economy. Stern is the author of Raising the Floor: How a Universal Basic Income Can Renew Our Economy and Restore the American Dream.&lt;/p&gt;
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                <content:encoded>Andy Stern, one of America’s most influential organizers and activists, describes his time as SEIU President, why he stepped down and eventually turned to the basic income as a policy solution for the new economy. Stern is the author of Raising the Floor: How a Universal Basic Income Can Renew Our Economy and Restore the […]</content:encoded>
                
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                <pubDate>Thu, 10 Nov 2016 15:56:17 &#43;0000</pubDate>
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                <itunes:title>Milicent Johnson on Poverty, Philanthropy and UBI</itunes:title>
                <title>Milicent Johnson on Poverty, Philanthropy and UBI</title>

                
                
                <itunes:author>Owen Poindexter, Jim Pugh</itunes:author>
                <itunes:subtitle>Would a universal basic income solve poverty? Milicent Johnson offers her unique perspective on how these issues intersect as someone who works in philanthropy to alleviate poverty.</itunes:subtitle>
                <itunes:summary>&lt;p&gt;Would a universal basic income solve poverty? Milicent Johnson offers her unique perspective on how these issues intersect as someone who works in philanthropy to alleviate poverty.&lt;/p&gt;
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                <description><![CDATA[Would a universal basic income solve poverty? Milicent Johnson offers her unique perspective on how these issues intersect as someone who works in philanthropy to alleviate poverty.]]></description>
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                <pubDate>Thu, 03 Nov 2016 15:57:13 &#43;0000</pubDate>
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                <itunes:duration>1169</itunes:duration>
                
                
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                <itunes:title>Rose Broome, CEO and Cofounder of HandUp</itunes:title>
                <title>Rose Broome, CEO and Cofounder of HandUp</title>

                
                
                <itunes:author>Owen Poindexter, Jim Pugh</itunes:author>
                <itunes:subtitle>One cold evening in San Francisco, Rose Broome walked past a homeless woman sleeping on the street and decided in that moment to do something impactful to help the homeless. This eventually led to the creation of HandUp, an organization that facilitates</itunes:subtitle>
                <itunes:summary>&lt;p&gt;One cold evening in San Francisco, Rose Broome walked past a homeless woman sleeping on the street and decided in that moment to do something impactful to help the homeless. This eventually led to the creation of HandUp, an organization that facilitates donations to people in need. As she has come to understand poverty and homelessness in America, Rose has become a strong advocate for the basic income.&lt;/p&gt;
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                <content:encoded>One cold evening in San Francisco, Rose Broome walked past a homeless woman sleeping on the street and decided in that moment to do something impactful to help the homeless. This eventually led to the creation of HandUp, an organization that facilitates donations to people in need. As she has come to understand poverty and […]</content:encoded>
                
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                <pubDate>Sun, 23 Oct 2016 04:28:10 &#43;0000</pubDate>
                <itunes:duration>1147</itunes:duration>
                
                
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                <itunes:title>An Overview of the Basic Income</itunes:title>
                <title>An Overview of the Basic Income</title>

                
                
                <itunes:author>Owen Poindexter, Jim Pugh</itunes:author>
                <itunes:subtitle>Sandhya, Jim and Owen provide an overview of what the basic income is, its biggest benefits, most common objections, results of pilot studies and what’s driving the conversation today.</itunes:subtitle>
                <itunes:summary>&lt;p&gt;Sandhya, Jim and Owen provide an overview of what the basic income is, its biggest benefits, most common objections, results of pilot studies and what’s driving the conversation today.&lt;/p&gt;
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                <pubDate>Thu, 29 Sep 2016 17:33:12 &#43;0000</pubDate>
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                <itunes:duration>1526</itunes:duration>
                
                
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                <itunes:title>Drew Pilottos of Basic Income Australia</itunes:title>
                <title>Drew Pilottos of Basic Income Australia</title>

                
                
                <itunes:author>Owen Poindexter, Jim Pugh</itunes:author>
                <itunes:subtitle>Jim spoke with Drew Pilottos of Basic Income Australia on the state of the UBI movement down under.</itunes:subtitle>
                <itunes:summary>&lt;p&gt;Jim spoke with Drew Pilottos of Basic Income Australia on the state of the UBI movement down under.&lt;/p&gt;
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                <description><![CDATA[Jim spoke with Drew Pilottos of Basic Income Australia on the state of the UBI movement down under.]]></description>
                <content:encoded>Jim spoke with Drew Pilottos of Basic Income Australia on the state of the UBI movement down under.</content:encoded>
                
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                <pubDate>Sat, 24 Sep 2016 04:12:11 &#43;0000</pubDate>
                <itunes:duration>659</itunes:duration>
                
                
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                <itunes:title>Amira Jehia of Mein Grundeinkommen</itunes:title>
                <title>Amira Jehia of Mein Grundeinkommen</title>

                
                
                <itunes:author>Owen Poindexter, Jim Pugh</itunes:author>
                <itunes:subtitle>Sandhya and Jim spoke to Amira Jehia of Mein Grundeinkommen, a German organization that crowdfunds and raffles yearlong basic incomes to raise awareness around the issue.</itunes:subtitle>
                <itunes:summary>&lt;p&gt;Sandhya and Jim spoke to Amira Jehia of Mein Grundeinkommen, a German organization that crowdfunds and raffles yearlong basic incomes to raise awareness around the issue.&lt;/p&gt;
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                <content:encoded>Sandhya and Jim spoke to Amira Jehia of Mein Grundeinkommen, a German organization that crowdfunds and raffles yearlong basic incomes to raise awareness around the issue.</content:encoded>
                
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                <pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2016 00:21:03 &#43;0000</pubDate>
                <itunes:duration>1003</itunes:duration>
                
                
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                <itunes:title>Rutger Bregman, Author of Utopia for Realists</itunes:title>
                <title>Rutger Bregman, Author of Utopia for Realists</title>

                
                
                <itunes:author>Owen Poindexter, Jim Pugh</itunes:author>
                <itunes:subtitle>A conversation with Rutger Bregman, author of Utopia for Realists: The Case for a Universal Basic Income, Open Borders and a 15-Hour Workweek. We discuss what brought him to the basic income movement, some historical basic income experiments, and how a b</itunes:subtitle>
                <itunes:summary>&lt;p&gt;A conversation with Rutger Bregman, author of Utopia for Realists: The Case for a Universal Basic Income, Open Borders and a 15-Hour Workweek. We discuss what brought him to the basic income movement, some historical basic income experiments, and how a basic income could benefit his home country of the Netherlands.&lt;/p&gt;
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                <description><![CDATA[A conversation with Rutger Bregman, author of Utopia for Realists: The Case for a Universal Basic Income, Open Borders and a 15-Hour Workweek. We discuss what brought him to the basic income movement, some historical basic income experiments, and how a basic income could benefit his home country of the Netherlands.]]></description>
                <content:encoded>A conversation with Rutger Bregman, author of Utopia for Realists: The Case for a Universal Basic Income, Open Borders and a 15-Hour Workweek. We discuss what brought him to the basic income movement, some historical basic income experiments, and how a basic income could benefit his home country of the Netherlands.</content:encoded>
                
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                <pubDate>Thu, 01 Sep 2016 04:16:18 &#43;0000</pubDate>
                <itunes:duration>1132</itunes:duration>
                
                
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                <itunes:title>The Universal Income Project</itunes:title>
                <title>The Universal Income Project</title>

                
                
                <itunes:author>Owen Poindexter, Jim Pugh</itunes:author>
                <itunes:subtitle>Jim Pugh and Sandhya Anantharaman, our new cohost, discuss the Universal Income Project and each host explains how they got into the basic income movement.</itunes:subtitle>
                <itunes:summary>&lt;p&gt;Jim Pugh and Sandhya Anantharaman, our new cohost, discuss the &lt;a href=&#34;http://www.universalincome.org/&#34; rel=&#34;nofollow&#34;&gt;Universal Income Project&lt;/a&gt; and each host explains how they got into the basic income movement.&lt;/p&gt;
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                <description><![CDATA[Jim Pugh and Sandhya Anantharaman, our new cohost, discuss the Universal Income Project and each host explains how they got into the basic income movement.]]></description>
                <content:encoded>Jim Pugh and Sandhya Anantharaman, our new cohost, discuss the Universal Income Project and each host explains how they got into the basic income movement.</content:encoded>
                
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                <pubDate>Fri, 26 Aug 2016 15:39:34 &#43;0000</pubDate>
                <itunes:duration>1023</itunes:duration>
                
                
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                <itunes:title>Scott Santens on Having a Basic Income</itunes:title>
                <title>Scott Santens on Having a Basic Income</title>

                
                
                <itunes:author>Owen Poindexter, Jim Pugh</itunes:author>
                <itunes:subtitle>Scott Santens, who crowdfunds his own basic income, discusses the experience of having wage security, and where he sees the future of technology taking us.</itunes:subtitle>
                <itunes:summary>&lt;p&gt;Scott Santens, who crowdfunds his own basic income, discusses the experience of having wage security, and where he sees the future of technology taking us.&lt;/p&gt;
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                <description><![CDATA[Scott Santens, who crowdfunds his own basic income, discusses the experience of having wage security, and where he sees the future of technology taking us.]]></description>
                <content:encoded>Scott Santens, who crowdfunds his own basic income, discusses the experience of having wage security, and where he sees the future of technology taking us.</content:encoded>
                
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                <pubDate>Wed, 17 Aug 2016 04:56:19 &#43;0000</pubDate>
                <itunes:duration>1271</itunes:duration>
                
                
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                <itunes:title>Camila Thorndike on Cap &amp; Dividend</itunes:title>
                <title>Camila Thorndike on Cap &amp; Dividend</title>

                
                
                <itunes:author>Owen Poindexter, Jim Pugh</itunes:author>
                <itunes:subtitle>Camila Thorndike of the Chesapeake Climate Action Network discusses campaigning for a cap and dividend at the state and national level.</itunes:subtitle>
                <itunes:summary>&lt;p&gt;Camila Thorndike of the Chesapeake Climate Action Network discusses campaigning for a cap and dividend at the state and national level.&lt;/p&gt;
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                <description><![CDATA[Camila Thorndike of the Chesapeake Climate Action Network discusses campaigning for a cap and dividend at the state and national level.]]></description>
                <content:encoded>Camila Thorndike of the Chesapeake Climate Action Network discusses campaigning for a cap and dividend at the state and national level.</content:encoded>
                
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                <pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2016 03:49:37 &#43;0000</pubDate>
                <itunes:duration>1098</itunes:duration>
                
                
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                <itunes:title>Joe Huston of GiveDirectly</itunes:title>
                <title>Joe Huston of GiveDirectly</title>

                
                
                <itunes:author>Owen Poindexter, Jim Pugh</itunes:author>
                <itunes:subtitle>A conversation with Joe Huston on GiveDirectly’s upcoming experiments in which every resident of select villages in certain African countries will receive a long-term basic income. Joe discusses what he hopes to learn from these experiments, how th</itunes:subtitle>
                <itunes:summary>&lt;p&gt;A conversation with Joe Huston on GiveDirectly’s upcoming experiments in which every resident of select villages in certain African countries will receive a long-term basic income. Joe discusses what he hopes to learn from these experiments, how the basic income conversation has changed over the years and what it’s like to knock on someone’s door and offer an unconditional living wage.&lt;/p&gt;
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                <pubDate>Wed, 03 Aug 2016 04:41:13 &#43;0000</pubDate>
                <itunes:duration>943</itunes:duration>
                
                
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                <itunes:title>Che Wagner, Campaigner for the Swiss Basic Income Referendum</itunes:title>
                <title>Che Wagner, Campaigner for the Swiss Basic Income Referendum</title>

                
                
                <itunes:author>Owen Poindexter, Jim Pugh</itunes:author>
                <itunes:subtitle>Our first episode! Jim Pugh caught up with Che Wagner, who campaigned for the basic income referendum in Switzerland. We also get an inside look at this year’s Basic Income Earth Action conference, held in Seoul earlier this year.</itunes:subtitle>
                <itunes:summary>&lt;p&gt;Our first episode! Jim Pugh caught up with Che Wagner, who campaigned for the basic income referendum in Switzerland. We also get an inside look at this year’s Basic Income Earth Action conference, held in Seoul earlier this year.&lt;/p&gt;
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                <description><![CDATA[Our first episode! Jim Pugh caught up with Che Wagner, who campaigned for the basic income referendum in Switzerland. We also get an inside look at this year’s Basic Income Earth Action conference, held in Seoul earlier this year.]]></description>
                <content:encoded>Our first episode! Jim Pugh caught up with Che Wagner, who campaigned for the basic income referendum in Switzerland. We also get an inside look at this year’s Basic Income Earth Action conference, held in Seoul earlier this year.</content:encoded>
                
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                <pubDate>Mon, 25 Jul 2016 05:23:06 &#43;0000</pubDate>
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