In this powerful conversation, Tim Timberlake and Benny Perez dive deep into why this generation is rejecting fake Christianity and craving truth—even when it hurts.

They unpack:

- Why mislabeling Jesus limits your life

- The difference between Jesus as Teacher vs Lord

- Why truth must confront, not just comfort

- The danger of chasing acceptance over God’s approval

How culture is attacking the foundation of faith

This isn’t just a conversation, it’s a wake-up call.

About Pastor Tim TImberlake:

Tim Timberlake serves as the Senior Pastor of Celebration Church. He’s a graduate of the Pistis School of Ministry in Detroit, Michigan. Pastor Tim is a gifted communicator and teacher who has the ability to communicate to people from all walks of life. His sense of humor, combined with his in-depth Bible teaching, gives the listener and reader the tools to transform their lives from the inside out. He takes pleasure in the small things, is an avid sports fan, and a popular thought leader.

Pastor Tim lives in Jacksonville, FL with his wife Jen and son Maxwell. The Timberlake’s feel most alive when they are pouring back into others, and they seek to glorify God through their lives and family.

In this powerful episode of the Both& Podcast, Pastor Benny Perez welcomes back Pastor Dustin Bates for a deep and timely conversation on hearing the voice of God, real encounters, and living a faith that goes beyond just “me and Jesus.”

They unpack why it’s not that God is silent, but that we’re often distracted… how proximity to God changes everything… and why both private AND corporate encounters are essential for real spiritual growth. 🔥

This episode will challenge isolated faith and remind you that your gift isn’t just for you, it’s meant to impact others. From the story of Samuel to life-changing encounters, you’ll see how one moment with God can shift your entire trajectory.

If you’ve felt distant, too busy, or unsure if God is speaking, this conversation will awaken your awareness of His presence.

In this powerful episode of the Both& Podcast, Pastor Benny sits down with Pastor Travis Greene for one of the most honest leadership conversations we’ve had yet.

They dive into the tension between structure and Spirit… but the conversation goes deeper than expected, straight into betrayal, bitterness, submission, accountability, and finishing well in ministry.

This isn’t surface-level leadership talk. This is heart surgery.

“Your heart is a house. Bitterness gives someone a room — and locks you out.”

If you are a pastor, worship leader, creative, entrepreneur, or believer navigating leadership pressure, church hurt, correction, or betrayal — this conversation will challenge and strengthen you.

Ministry flows from the heart.

Creativity flows from the heart.

Longevity flows from the heart.

Guard it.

About Pastor Travis Greene:

Travis is a Grammy-nominated gospel recording artist, pastor, husband, and father. He and his wife, Dr. Jackie Greene (author, dentist, and mentor), co-pastor Forward City Church in Columbia, South Carolina. Through music and ministry, Travis is passionate about unifying the Body of Christ and exposing people to the transformative love of Jesus. When he’s not traveling or leading, he’s spending time with his wife and their three boys, Jace, Josh, and Judah.

- Forgiving racism and reverse racism

- Refusing victim and entitlement mentalities

- Why promotion comes from the Lord

- Raising children with kingdom identity

- Work ethic, integrity, and biblical diligence

- Why your pastor is not your puppet

- Speaking with boldness without losing love

- Revival, awakening, and what God is doing right now

We don’t wrestle against flesh and blood. The real battle is spiritual.

This episode will challenge your mindset and provoke deeper thought about how believers should live in a divided culture.

About Pastor Ken Claytor: 

Ken Claytor has a heart to bring people of all backgrounds together to experience the power and love of Jesus. For over 18 years, he has shared the gospel globally while breaking barriers and redefining diversity in the local church.

He and his wife Tabatha lead Alive Church — a multi-generational, multi-ethnic church with campuses in Gainesville and Orlando, Florida, and online. What began with just six adults has grown into a thriving ministry reaching thousands each weekend.

Pastor Ken is also the founder of the Alive Leadership Institute, host of the Alive Conference, and a sought-after speaker. He and Tabatha have been married for 26 years and have three children.

If this conversation encouraged you, don’t forget to like, and share with someone who needs a reminder that there is power in the name of Jesus.

In this powerful podcast conversation, Pastor Jamie Bates of Church 1132 shares how a deep dive into Scripture transformed her faith, healed a season of doubt, and revealed the Bible as a living, layered narrative, not just a rulebook.

From feeling out of place in church culture, to wrestling with disappointment, to discovering Jesus through the story behind the story, this conversation is for thinkers, feelers, and anyone who’s ever wondered if something was wrong with them for not “feeling it” the way others do.

If you’ve ever felt disconnected, disappointed, or unsure how to approach the Word of God, this conversation will challenge and encourage you.

About Pastor Jamie Bates:

Pastor Jamie Bates is a pastor, leader, and communicator with a heart for people and a passion for seeing lives transformed by Jesus. Alongside her husband, Pastor Dustin, she pastors Church Eleven32, helping lead the church with wisdom, authenticity, and compassion.

Jamie is deeply committed to building healthy families, empowering women, and creating spaces where people can encounter God and walk in freedom. She and Dustin live in the DFW area with their two sons, Jude and Genesis.

In this powerful and deeply personal podcast episode, Pastor Benny sits down with longtime mentor and friend Tim Storey to talk about the supernatural, healing, impartation, and what it means to live out the “Jesus style” of ministry.

From firsthand encounters with God’s presence to stories of healing, bold faith, and learning how to move in the anointing, this conversation pulls back the curtain on what it looks like to walk in spiritual authority with humility, courage, and authenticity.

👤 About Tim Storey

Tim Storey is an acclaimed culture-influencing thought leader, life strategist, author, speaker, and counselor. Known for his insight and mentorship among high-profile leaders, athletes, and individuals navigating seasons of recovery and rediscovery, he has been widely recognized as The Original Comeback Coach. With decades of ministry experience, Tim carries a powerful legacy of faith, healing, and impartation, inspiring people to encounter God’s presence and step boldly into their calling.

In this episode of Both&, Pastor Benny Perez sits down with guest speaker Jeremy Johnson for an honest and challenging conversation about faithfulness, calling, obedience, and navigating ambition without losing your soul. Together, they unpack the tension between trusting God fully while still stewarding opportunities wisely.

This conversation speaks directly to leaders, creatives, pastors, and believers who feel the pull between what God has asked them to do now and what they hope He’ll do next. It’s a reminder that true Kingdom impact starts with obedience, not visibility.

About Pastor Jeremy:

Pastor Jeremy Johnson is the Lead Pastor of Fearless Church in downtown Los Angeles, alongside his wife Christy and their children. Known for his contagious passion and global ministry, Jeremy carries a heart for revival, seeing culture transformed through the power and love of Jesus. He is also the founder of Ammunition Conference, a gathering birthed to see dreamers rise and live fearlessly in Christ.

In this powerful episode of the BOTH& Podcast, Pastor Benny Perez sits down with worship leader and street minister Ryan Horton, whose viral worship moments in subways, streets, and city centers have led to radical encounters with God.

Ryan shares unforgettable stories of worship breaking rage, fear, and spiritual oppression—including a moment in the New York subway where a man went from screaming in anger to weeping uncontrollably as the name of Jesus was lifted up.

About Ryan Horton:

Ryan Horton is a Christian worship leader and evangelist known for bringing worship and the presence of God into public spaces—especially streets and subways in major cities like New York. Through live music, prayer, and Spirit-led moments, Ryan shares the love of Jesus in everyday environments.

This episode will stir your faith and challenge you to bring God’s presence wherever you go—your workplace, your city, your daily life.

If this conversation encouraged you, don’t forget to like, and share with someone who needs a reminder that there is power in the name of Jesus.

About Pastor Dustin Bates:

With over two decades of experience in ministry, leadership, and business, Pastor Dustin Bates is the lead pastor of Church Eleven32, the founder of Dream Center Dallas, and hosts the leadership podcast 'Win Every Time'.

He and his wife Jamie reside in the DFW area with their two sons, Jude and Genesis.

Dustin has a passion for the local church, equipping the next generation, and seeing city transformation by meeting both spiritual and practical needs.

About Dr. Michael Maiden:

Dr. Michael Maiden and his wife Mary serve as senior pastors of Church for the Nations in Phoenix, Arizona, preparing God’s people for Kingdom service through relevant, timely, life-changing, and prophetic teaching. He holds a Master’s and Doctorate in Christian Psychology and has authored seven books, including The Joshua Generation and Turn the World Upside Down. Dr. Maiden is a trusted prophetic voice who has ministered to public officials, pastors, and leaders around the world. He serves as President and CEO of Church On The Rock International, overseeing more than 6,000 churches, and sits on multiple ministry boards.

In this powerful conversation, Pastor Benny Perez and Myron Golden dives deep into God’s original design for wealth, faith, and hearing His voice. Discover why abundance is part of God’s nature—and how trusting what He says matters more than what you see.