RedCircle VERIFY_TOKEN_81529d74-e049-420c-8250-d7b6ea4a2b09 -- Rendered At Thu, 28 May 2026 21:22:05 +0000 Think Piece Podcast https://redcircle.com/shows/think-piece en-US All rights reserved. Francisca Harrison *Think Piece Podcast !* Where conversation is the art form and overthinking is a team sport. 🎙️ Hosted by Francisca (recovering perfectionist, full-time curiosity junkie), we dive into the big, small, and "did-we-just-go-there?" questions of human behavior, society, and everything in between. Expect deep thoughts, light banter, a few technical difficulties (we're only human), and plenty of “Wait, that actually makes sense!” moments. Think of it as your weekly brain massage, with fewer oils and more "aha!"s. New episodes drop when the mic cooperates. Hit subscribe, stay curious, and let’s overanalyze together. 81529d74-e049-420c-8250-d7b6ea4a2b09 Think Piece Podcast ! Where conversation is the art form and overthinking is a team sport. 🎙️

Hosted by Francisca (recovering perfectionist, full-time curiosity junkie), we dive into the big, small, and "did-we-just-go-there?" questions of human behavior, society, and everything in between.

Expect deep thoughts, light banter, a few technical difficulties (we're only human), and plenty of “Wait, that actually makes sense!” moments.

Think of it as your weekly brain massage, with fewer oils and more "aha!"s.

New episodes drop when the mic cooperates. Hit subscribe, stay curious, and let’s overanalyze together.

]]> episodic no Francisca Harrison artistrybyfrancisca@gmail.com no full Why We Do What We Do: A Journey Into Human Nature | Think Piece Podcast | Episode 001 Why We Do What We Do: A Journey Into Human Nature | Think Piece Podcast | Episode 001 1 1 Francisca Harrison Hello everyone. Welcome. The fifth time's a charm. My name is Francisca, and this is Think Peace, a podcast where conversation is the art form and curiosity is the compass. Around here, we banter, we explore, and we dive deep into the things that make us human. Each episode will discuss a new topic, sometimes serious, sometimes light, but it will always be real. I am so happy to have you here. Today's episode is going to be all about human behavior, and in the spirit of keeping it light and breezy, I can'tOK, so we have tried taping this episode maybe five or six Times Now, and anything and everything you can think of has happened. So I've already probably repeated this part far too many times. So we're just kind of like wing it here. I want to introduce my guest. His name is Matt Daniels, and he is one of my closest friends and probably one of the most patient people you could ever hope to meet. Um, I'm really fortunate to be having him do my first podcast episode with me. Matt, I met about 18 years ago, long story short, he has been cutting my hair for 18 years. And he is one of the most incredible people that I could ever hope to know. Haircut sessions, uh, consist for about two to three hours, and it is always the most amazing experience. I just always learn something new. Again, I said he is one of my closest friends, so he knows everything about me. And whatever I have going on in my life, he is always able to give me incredible insight that I probably wouldn't haveAble to discover all on my own. And if I did, it was probably going to take me a lot longer. But I am just really, really thankful to be doing this episode with him. So Matt, say hello to everyone. Hello. Thank you so much for the introduction. It has been. You're very welcome. A lot has. It's taken a while to get this. Technology is always difficult to work with. I have a whole new respect for anybody that does a podcast now. I had no idea what goes into this. I didn't think I was going to go into it like, hey, this is going to be easy peasy, but I also did not prepare myself for. Any of this, I don't know if you possibly could. I'm not a techie person, so this is all really blowing my mind, but I am learning. So that's a wonderful thing. Yes, and I am definitely not a tech person either. Almost to a fault. I do not do a lot of tech things. However, I am truly enjoying the experience. The challenges make it fun and I'm so glad because I don't know it if it were another person, it might not be this kind of experience. But again, I feel so fortunate that Matt has. been incredibly patient. This is, we actually taped our full episode last week. And when I submitted it into the editor, we had this, my mic did something at probably for the last 30 to 40 minutes of the episode where it was just echoing, but it was like stadium echo. And I was really kind of surprised because I, I really made a good investment in my mic. So I was really like, why is this happening? How is this happening? So we decided that we were gonna go ahead and rerecord this, and we've spent the last hour cutting out on each other and trying to figure out where to input this and input that and restarting computers. So it's been an adventure so far. It's kind of on topic. Do you remember right during the the beginning of the pandemic where it was a court case, I believe they were doing it on Zoom, and one of the lawyers, his daughter had apparently changed the the face to a cat and he didn't know how. I don't think I saw that one. I saw the one where I I think it was a newscaster. His baby was in a walker and was just kind of zoomed into the room. Yes, I remember that. You and everyone else should look up the one of the lawyer with his face in the cat. And what made him funnier is since he didn't know how to turn it off, he just said, I am willing to proceed as his face in the cat. I thought that was very okay. Oh my God, I would have lost it. Ohh It's It's a laugh every time you watch it becauseIt's pretty ridiculous. That's what makes it funny. And you can't really plan for the unplanned, which I guess is this is the like most excellent intro into the topic today of human behavior. The outcome of this situation would completely depend on human behavior. And And technology as well, too. The engagement of human and tech. Yeah, I just, I'm completely blown away. And, but you know, this inspires my curiosity even further. I've been reading a bunch of things that I would not normally read on tech and just podcasts and microphones and headsets and everything I I never really imagined myself sittingKind of cycling through so is a whole lot, but I believe it's currently working now. I do not hear any echoes. I cannot hear myself and I have had very limited amounts of no cutting out, no pauses. Good. I'm hoping it stays that way. I really am. If not, then you guys can reference back to this part. If you get an episode that is choppy and paused a million times and this would be why. So I am going to start off. by giving us the Wikipedia definition of human behavior. And it says that human behavior is the potential and express capacity, mentally, physically, and socially, of individuals or groups to respond to internal and external stimuli throughout their life. And why do we act against our own best interests sometimes? A multitude of different scenarios, meaning that, I guess to break it down, the the first thing that can get in the wayis not believing in yourself. I think that has something to do with it. So that would be the the fear based. External also believe that social factors like what you think you can do based upon what people tell you you can do. Your environment plays a very large role in how you perceive the world around you and how you perceive the world around you is going to determine how you're going to engage with it. So I guess probably would be environmental and that environmental also includes physical capacities of what you're capable of understanding. The human mind is extremelypowerful and has a lot of plasticity, but sometimes it requires a little bit of work to be able to gain more potential in what you're doing. A little bit or a lot. A lot, yeah. It varies. Yes. And I will be willing to admit the fact that mine took a lot. Yes. Well, I mean, and everyone has, I think, a a disposition of understanding specific things more so than others and less so than others. So I believe that human behavior in that sense is guided by all those many, many, many factors. All of them are are interconnected. So any one of those things can make someone act against their own self-interest. Could just be something as simple as misunderstanding what their interest is. A lot of people don't really do a deep dive into what it is they actually want or what they they base it off of what they think that they should have or what someone else tells them that they should want. And it may not be truly what they desire. So yeah, that's a real thing. One of my favorite quotes is, is a football player, a professional player,football player who said at the end of his career he said I spent my entire life climbing a ladder only to get to the top and realize I climbed the wrong ladder and and therefore his entire life was him acting against his own his own self-interest even though he wasn't aware of it he was obviously extremely successful at what he was doing but that success was going in the wrong direction for what he truly when he got to that location where he was able to to understand what was happening he it was the wrong was the wrong thing well if you really think about how manypeople have spent their entire lives actually living that experience, whether it be being directed by your parents, or like you said, the people around you telling you who you're supposed to be and what that is supposed to look like versus what you've ever been able to kind of explore for yourself and and really figure out, Who am I and what do I feel comfortable with? Yeah, those are really challenging things to understand. I think alsoconsistently changing from individual, from person to person, through multiple different times in their lives. Parental involvement is a strong one as well too, because you know parents do have a lot of weight in how they influence their children. That can be both positive and negative, and I think in most cases it's a combination of both. I think that most parents kind of realize that there is going to be some positive and also some negative things that you're going to instill in your children. You just hope that the the broader world and life experiences can at least mitigate the negative ones and amplifythe positive ones. But here's where I think it becomes tricky because in a perfect world, you have parents that are insightful enough to be able to sit back and be like, OK, I am teaching you this versus this, and this is the correct way to do things versus this is the incorrect. When you get into the dynamic people and families that are mentally unwell, I even myself try to constantly remind myself that whatI may think is best for someone may not necessarily be what is best for them because they are an individual person. And so it is really, you have to kind of be vigilant in taking on those actions. I was very fortunate to have really good parents and I am grateful, especially the older I get, the more I realize how rare that is to have fantastic parents. Yeah, as a matter of fact, every decade that goes by, I feel like I appreciate it more and more and more because I do witness that not being the case for most people. I know anytime you've sat back and like talked to me about like your. stories and your experiences with your parents, I've always thought like, wow, I really wish that I had grown up that way. Being the person that's on the other end of that spectrum to hear stories of normalcy, it's always very intriguing to me. It used to feel sad, you know what I mean? But now it's just like, wow, just how differently people really do grow up and in the world and in this life. It's true. I I feel like there's pros and cons to both to both sides. people who go through more adversity, whether it be from their parents or from a physical or any type of challenge, I feel like they have a almost a fuller life because they they do get to work their way through those challenges and it just makes them stronger and more understanding of the world around them. Sometimes it can be, if you don't have any adversity, it can create gaps in your understanding of those things. You have to try and look for those, if you're trying to look at the at the broader picture of the world around you, it's important to trytry to try and see things from as many angles as you possibly can. Even if you haven't had that experience, it's important to try to look through someone else's eyes and and understand it. And so those who have had less of that, I think they have to use that as a method. The never ending goal then is like finding the happy medium there. Yeah you know I I think a lot of people do, but I also think about the people that never do. You know That is true. I mean, not every story turns out nicely in the world aroundwhich is a very sad and unfortunate thing that takes place. I think from a societal perspective, our goal should be to try to foster and to bring up as many good circumstances as we possibly can to sort of help circumvent and sort of like combat some of these challenges that people have. Ohh Yeah, that would be ideal. It would seem though that a lot of those programs and whatnot that existed are lowly being chipped away at, which is really just counterproductive toproductive, functional society in general, I believe. Yeah, societies have unfortunately, for some reason, never truly focused on this as being a a broad goal. It's really sad because if we were capable of doing that, I affect that our our civilization, our species could accomplish completely amazing things. I do as well. Yeah. It is shocking that that hasn't happened on any large scale. I believe the polarization of how people view human behavior is part of that, meaning that I. I agree. Yeah. Meaning that I believe that the, the broader, even if an individual can feel that something is wrong, they may not understand what that actually is and how to, how to change it. Well, I, I mean, I think that even the topic of mental health has only really been like, we've only really tapped into it over the past decade because I know growing up that if you discuss these things, they were considered stigmas people didn't have. have the open conversations that they're having right now. And the other thing that I found really interesting as well, I'm a Gen. X-er. So I was on TikTok one day and I don't know, I just, it came in my feed and I guess it happened to be a theme going on because there were a lot of Gen. X people getting up on there and they were talking about how they're like, I don't understand it. One woman was saying, she was like, you know, I have a daughter and she's in college and she, after therapy hasdecided that she no longer wants to communicate with me. And I don't understand this because I was never raised that way. And being a person that doesn't communicate with my family, to me, it was like I understood, I guess I looked at it as progress. You know what I mean? Like here is a generation that is learning how to do it differently now. And I'm talking about millennials and Gen. Zers and all of that because they areeffectively going to therapy and understanding what what boundaries look like, you know, and learning how to not carry that chaos into their life. the way we learned to do, or we were told we had to do, you knowSo I think we're dealing with generations now that are just understanding the importance of mental health, whereas before we were basically told to to look away from it. Yes, it is a, I know someone personally who had to separate themselves from their their family because they were very toxic. And I remember hearing how that process took place in the span of years, like gradually getting to that location, thatPoint and it's a really hard thing to do. I'm super proud that people can realize that within themselves. And if obviously you always want things to workout, but sometimes it's just not. It may not be possible. I do believe there's always solutions. But one of my favorite phrases in life is that at least in current state like state that we're in, there are no solutions, only trade-offs. And so if you are suffering just to be involved in any relationship, that may not be what's best for you or the other person. Challenging to think of it that way, but that's true, which. Leads me to this question. What role does fear really play in how we show up? Fear. People are less apt to act if they're scared, for sure. I think that it impacts us in many ways, both from a from a physical standpoint. So if you're if you're scared, the higher functions of your brain actively don't even work. Through the course of revolution, I feel like that we were our fear responses of being scared. They thicken our blood, they increase our stamina, all things that aren't really helpful in our. current society. So I believe that the fear, if someone is is scared to do something, unfortunately their capabilities, even if they were to do that when they weren't scared, are severely diminished. So people who suffer from PTSD or anxiety, basically they are always reacting from that place. Yes. From what I understood about anxiety is that it's, I believe it's a low level of serotonin that creates the the anxious feelings. Hormone's kind of required to, you know, create actions, kind of like the action or one of the action molecules in the brain that makes you want to do something. And so people who are either depressed or have anxiety in the time from that they're experiencing that, they just have low levels of a hormone that will help push them forward. So they're less likely to engage. And that's looking at it from physiological standpoint. But wouldn't those physiological results come from things like post traumatic stress disorder, because, I mean, those types of things. At least for me, I know like growing up from the time I was seven years old, I suffered from anxiety. I was not aware of it in any way. I just knew that there was this feeling that always presided over me, and it was always loomed with fear and anxiousness. And the decisions that I would make were always based on that feeling. And like understanding now, because I I no longer suffer from anxiety, what the decision-making processis in comparison to what it was back then is vastly different. Oh, 100% vastly different. You have a broader understanding whenever you are in a state of being calm. You can analyze things better. You can use the higher functions of your brain. You can be more direct and precise. It is vastly different. You're very reactive. One of the things that I noticed was like if a situation arose and you know, let's say there was a falling out with someone, I felt like I needed to react to thatimmediately, whether or not I knew what I wanted my reaction to actually be, which now it's the complete opposite. Like I need like you need to give me my space so I can take the time I need to figure out what I think about all of this. Ohh I'm sorry, I was saying to go through the pros and cons list for quite some time. Yes. Yes Yeah, exactly. And then if you really give yourself the time to do that, you start to understand that like, oh, okay, whatever conclusion I came to three days ago is differentfrom the one that I'm feeling today, like, you know, allowing yourself the time to process is something that I don't feel people who really suffer with anxiety, like severe levels of anxiety are able to do. Yeah, I believe they're a lot less likely to to take that pause and they are more reactionary because in in those states of mind, to them, anxiety is, I mean, at one point it was a tool that we would utilize, like we were scared of of failure or being ostracized or leftor scared of physical harm. Fear has a place in in the world around us to keep us safe from you know predators, to keep us safe from, and I don't mean that is the term of just animals, I mean even from people. I mean many, many, many stories of people who have been both robbed or assaulted. And so fear is not always a bad thing because it can it can keep you safe. It's just, if what you're scared of is whether or not, like you have falling out with a friend, that's not really, that's not as jeopardizing as being attacked, but sometimes ourto respond as if it is. Yeah. I think it becomes a fight or flight mode in a lot of people. So your response to everything is pretty much the same. It can be disproportionately applied. Yes. Yes What I've always found intriguing was because mine started because I was abused as a child. So having that want or need for acceptance all the time was just, it felt like it was part of my DNA. You know, so if you did have a falling out with someone I should say if I had a falling out with someone I automatically processed that as rejection or Something that I did wrong. So it was like this constant. What do I do? How do I fix it? How do I make it right? You know and then you just kind of carry that into like all of your relationships and and everything you do and you're kind of stuck in this vicious cycle because you're basically the one putting that burden on yourselfall the time to be the everything, which is an impossible task. How that works too is, you know, while I was saying about the brain being relatively plastic, memorization doesn't just deal with math problems. It also deals with emotions and how you feel about things. So if you were growing up in an environment where you're either being told or space levels do feel like that you're doing something wrong, your brain creates a stronger pathway each time that happens. But that's going to be your more likely response when something happens, because your your brain is almost like a memory loop where you can get sort ofstucked into having those emotions and feelings even when it's not applicable because your brain is so used to going to them. On the spectrum of something that's happened that's extremely tragic, I think that can burn a really strong pathway in just one circumstance. So it can almost do the work of a thousand small infractions or incursions just in one single horrible incident. But I think at the end of the day, it ends up being kind of close to being the same as far as your brain is going to be going to those negative places because flow's almostWell, it's like if someone asks you how much two plus two is, like you don't have to think, your brain just goes to four. Emotions versus logic, who's driving the bus then? Oh, you know, logic would always be the best bus driver. However, whenever you're you're either flooded with hormones that are creating easier pathways for specific types of reactions, I think there's a spectrum of how people respond to things based upon either emotions or logic. And I often even kind of wonder like which one is better, because sometimes do we want to always engage 1000% logically when it comes to everything that we do, or do we kind of want to have some entertainment and fun and some emotional responses as well too? I think that both drive the bus. But there's definitely types in people where one would be more dominant than the other. Yeah, I believe so. I think it's important to for for the people who are highly emotional, I think it is important to at least. Take a step back and think before you act to make sure that is a emotionally satisfying and logical decision. And for those who just engage straight logically, I think they just don't get the full breadth of experience not having those type of responses. For those who fall on that higher end of that spectrum. Yeah. But I think that there's a spectrum on who controls the bus and that that would depend upon each individual person and how they how they respond to things. I mean, obviously. The ideal situation would be a perfect balance of the two. So if you happen to be someone who reacts from more of an analytical place than an emotional place, what kind of advice would you give to that person and vice versa? That's actually probably the harder one, because sometimes the emotional bandwidth may not be, if you fall really relatively low on that spectrum, it just may not be something that you can understand. You know, this is not in the same thing, but I kind of feel like this is a good example. I feel like that my wife has a larger social bandwidth. Like we can be in a room talking to people and she can feel things that I am completely oblivious to. And she'll remind me about it later and I'll go back and rethink about the circumstances and be just shocked at how little I was capable of observing something where, you know, looking back, it's like, wow, I did not even that was not even in my scope. And I'm always amazed at how that could be something that's not in my scope. That can also be very overwhelming, though, for people. who are fairly intuitive. I know I've had discussions with people because I find myself to be a fairly intuitive person and you can walk in a room sometimes and you just feel what's going on before you're even part of the discussion. You know I can feel it as well too sometimes, not to the level that my wife does, but if it's strong, you know they always say like, what is it like a knife could cut through the room? Yeah, Yeah exactly. You can sense, we we are capable of doing that from a physical, I think we are physically responding to that too and kindof subconscious ways. I think we can sense things much like animals can, like smelling fear. Ohh I completely believe in that. I really do. I think the way animals are able to sense, the way they're able to sense danger, the way they're able to sense good and bad people, I think that there are people who are able to do the same. Yes. And I know like for the longest time, I I would get like this feeling like if I met someone that was not such a greatperson. It was just a hickey feeling and I couldn't figure out where it was coming from. And then as I started learning more about it, like anything else, there's there's energy. And you know if you're really in energy, then you pick up on those cues. Yeah, we're capable of observing a lot more than what we think we are. Intuition is a very real thing. As a matter of fact, a lot of the interviews I've listened to with people who function in kind of like high capacity, whether it be CEOs or even like special forcesNone of them ever discount intuition. As a matter of fact, I would say the majority of them would tell you to trust your intuitions. You may not know why you know what you know, but you still understand and you should probably listen. You should probably listen to it as well too. I've heard the same things too. Like do not ignore it because nine times out of 10 it's correct. Yes, like you may not want to just immediately, depending upon the circumstances, just you don't want to dismiss it. You may want to take some steps back and make sure that you're not misreading something. But I think you should definitely add some weight to that thought process. If you if you do feel intuitive, I think you should definitely listen and try to try and navigate what you're actually feeling. It's a lot of thoughts, sometimes I think people can be right. Yeah, but I think part of the problem with people really trusting their gut instincts goes back to the whole idea that to a degree, we're programmed. to act in ways that don't always feel right to us, but we've been told our entire lives are in fact the way you are supposed to be. Yeah, that's true. And your reaction to certain behavior, if it isn't aligned with what you've been taught is socially acceptable, then you wind up having this inner conflict. Yeah, societies shape how we engage the world around us in very vast and unusual ways, like how people should engage with each other, what thingsare normal, what things are not normal. It's strange when you think about how sometimes the things that we do are very illogical or just straight up strange. I've always kind of thought that when you have kids in elementary school, even though it's super adorable to like have them do plays, from a species perspective, I think it's very strange that you literally put them in little bunny outfits and make them dance in front of us, which of course they're all horrified. It's very traumatic for some of them to have to stand there in their little bunny outfit, and that's just a very unusualthing to do, but somehow societies have determined that that is not only a good thing to do, the best thing to do. And thousands of elementary schools do it every year. Right. I know. Try going to a Catholic elementary school and and see what the play program is for. Yes. That's another one too. Yeah, some of the- That would take me. Go ahead. I would say some of the super strict rules certain groups of people have can also be just fascinating. I just remember that like for eight years, I think I did the same Christmasthis play. It was always the nativity scene. I probably was every character in that nativity scene by the time I graduated from there. But yeah, it was definitely something that was done for the adults, not so much the children. Yes. Yeah, my worst role was being a sloth in the rainforest. I had to move really slow. It was kind of painful. Not great. Yeah. What do youEven do as a sloth, I didn't get a whole lot of guidance in that in that role, so I just crawled really slow. Yeah, I'd have to imagine. I can't think of the name of that Disney film that came out that had that sloth character in it. But I think that was the first time I ever saw a sloth speak. And it was incredibly slow. I will say it was probably kindness because to the point I was not super excited about dressing as a sloth and being on a stage in front of people. So I would have been horrified having a speaking role, whereas some people truly love that. So there are definitely differences in how people want to engage in the world around them and there's a spectrum of human behavior that I think is. Natural to certain people, whether it be like just a genetic marker or maybe something that had to do with their environment when they're growing up. But there's definitely people who want to be in those situations. And then there's those of us who, even though it's physically painful, it was less emotionally painful being a slut How does society shape our behavior without us even realizing it? I think what we see around us we view as being. It could be because subconsciously we realize that we have to live in the world that we live in, whether it be logical or illogical. And sometimes I think that line gets blurry because if you even if you think of something as not making the most sense, you're probably still going to do it because you don't want to step outside of the of the world. Because when you step outside of that, there's always the risk of consequences. So. I don't remember all of the, unfortunately, the details of the study. They did this one where they had two lines and I think they had ten people in the room. Neither of them were a part of the experiment. Only one person was a target of the experiment and he was the last one that was called on and they asked all nine people which line was longer and they all picked the shorter line like one after the other. And they got to that 9th person and he said the exact same. He said the shorter line. And I think it's because obviously he knew looking at it that it's not the case. He didn't want to say the other one because I mean maybe he was second guessing himself, maybe he would feel embarrassed, maybe, you know, but society shapes how we view the world because we see it and what we see becomes normal and we normalize. Yeah, we normalize what we see. We internalize what is is going around us as being normal. So do you think these influences, do you feel like? We're more influenced by our peers or by media or I think that would depend upon the person. I would say that you've always heard that you're some combination of the 10 people you spend the most time with. I would think that, yeah, I would think that there's certain individuals who are media probably plays a larger role, especially if they're not engaged with other people as much. And then vice versa, people who kind of live more in the, I hate using that term real world because everything is real, but who spend less time in the virtual world that I'm assuming that the their peers probably have a little bit more weight and relevance to them than say social media. But for those who engage most of their time in social media, it would be the reverse. Social media would shape more of how they view the world around them than even their peers. Well then wouldn't the social norms evolve overtime because if you think back, you know,1020 years ago, you would probably have more people that were influenced or impacted more by their peers because there wasn't a huge social media presence. Yeah, that's true. I feel like now there's a lot more kids and teenagers and young adults. probably connected more with social media than they are with actual people. And I'm not just throwing, I mean, like, I work around a lot of kids and everything and like, they'll be the first to tell you like, I'm way more comfortable in this area than I am in actual social situations. Yeah, I think that's very true. Or I try to keep myself from saying that something is better or worse because it is different. But there's a huge difference in the technological advances that we've had in the past 20 years that are manifesting themselves in very unique ways. And so for those kids, you know, I guess at the end of the day, I would say that they live in a completely different world and environment than we do. And so their engagements will, I can't say that with certitude, on some level, I think it will self-balance itself out because that is their culture. Now, whether that is a better culture or a worse culture would be up for for debate. they won't feel the same way that we will because they will they won't know of a world that existed pre that. Yeah. Yeah. So their perspectives of that are going to be internal as opposed to ours being more external. I always found it really interesting because those of you who don't know, I was a makeup artist. So when I would do events like New York Fashion Week, I'm working with a lot of young adults. So you've gotmodels that are ranging from the age of 14 to, you know, 22, 24. I just always remember there could be a group of all of them standing together and there, I guess the version of communication that was there is they would they would all be grouped together. somewhat chatting with each other, but all of them having phones up in front of their faces while they're taking their selfies and, you know, uploading videos to TikTok or Instagram or whatnot. So it was just this very interesting experience, you know, because it's like there was the means to socialize, but it it wasn't, I don't know how to fully explain it. You know, it's not fully what was going on because they were so enthralled with their phones. I would say that generation probably adds more weight and social currency to people they don't even know than the people that they know that they're close to on a regular basis. Meaning that, you know, they're posting those things because they want to get as many likes as they can on Facebook from people that they don't actually engage with. But that engagement seems to be probably because it is faster rewarding than engagements with people that they are personally engaged with. I think they they probably. A lot more weight to almost like their, you know, their ethosphere of the virtual world than they do in the actual physical world. And I mean, I was guilty of it too. Like I definitely went through a period. While I was a makeup artist where I felt like I was more connected with my phone than I was to what was going on around me. And that was for different reasons. I mean, a lot of it was, I mean, I was the one that was responsible for getting my workout there and that's what enabled me to get further bookings and whatnot. But I definitely did fall into the, you know, like in the likes and the clicks and all of that stuff and. Phones can be extremely addicting. They yeah, dangerously. So my first smartphone I have, I still have it. And even at the time frame I did not get engaged in in social media things. But I downloaded a game called Yo Ninja, simple like jumping game and I probably clocked, I don't know, 400 hours into that game before I realized like I don't want to just be sitting here for every script of my life tapping my phone. And so yeah, I actually am very cautious. I do not download. Games or apps or really anything on my phone that I'm not getting something out of, like like a Fitbit that I just recently got. I downloaded that app so I can keep track of my sleeping schedules, so forth and so on. But I try to make sure that it's more useful than just tapping a screen. I had to become very much so more disciplined in that. I remember I didn't get on TikTok for a long time just because I. Was like, I do not want to go down that rabbit hole. Like I see people that go on there and they just never come off. I remember I finally tried it out and you know, I was one of those people that was up until 3:00 in the morning just ohh going down rabbit holes. And you know, especially with current climate and everything, it's like I've had to be very mindful of the amount of information that I take in. You know, just for my own mental Wellness, you know, yeah, we can be, yeah. Part of the the trick with social media is that in both in the algorithms follows what you like and also sort of pushes you into other directions because they want more engagement. And so you have to be really cautious because if you're only seeing all you see is people arguing on. I don't know what they'd call that like chat boards or in the comments sections, you know, people being horrible to each other or protests or police brutality or if that's the only things you're seeing, then you're going to, you know, back to the point of like what influences you the most is what you see the most. You know, there's a, I'm gonna get this way off, but there's a Native American saying saying there's a good wolf and a bad wolf inside every person. And the one that comes out is the one that's fed the most. And so the the point of that being is if you expose yourself to negative things all the time, you will be a more negative person and vice versa. I do believe that there should be a balance because you can't. You wouldn't want to live in the world believing that everything is sunshine, sunshine and unicorns, because that's not how this is. But you also don't want to live in a world where you think that everyone is out to to get you either, because that also is not the case. The larger majority of people that I know are least neutral, whether one would say they're good or bad. I think human nature is most people are. I think most people are good and there's are least neutral. And then a few people who are not a lower percent. I'm going to challenge that theory. Not that I'm disagreeing with it, but here's something we have discussed before. And this is where I feel like this kind of tests that theory. The Milgram's obedience experiment that took place in 1961. So for those of you who don't know about this, it was a study that was conducted at Yale to test obedience to authority. And participants thought that they were giving electric shocks to others for wrong answers. Many continued even hearing fake screams just because someone in a labtold them to. The takeaway, people will often obey, even when it violates their morals, if the command comes from an authority figure. Yeah. What are your thoughts on that? Oh, I think that is incredibly, incredibly true. And I guess if I was to sayAt the end of the base age, I think that those people who are pushing that button in their minds have told themselves they're doing it for the better good because they say, This man of authority is telling me this is what is right, so therefore I am going to listen to him and do what they think is right. It's almost like submitting themselves to authority. It is is quite shocking how easily we will bypass our own viewpoints in the world around us for the sake of someone in a lab coat or any type of authority. yeah We humans, to a very large degree, do that quite frequently. It was just so mind-blowing to me though, because I mean, you could hear the people who were getting these electric shocks screaming in the room. And you can see the struggle that the person who is giving them the electric shocks is going through. Like they're like, Hey, this person really sounds like they're in pain. And they're like, No, no. noBlew my mind. Might as well too. That was not what they expected out of that experiment. The people who set that up believed that that number, the percentage of people that would continue shocking would be extremely low. I know. The creator of the experiment, if I remember correctly, has done the same thing that I've tried to do multiple times in my life and try to figure out how things like the Holocaust happened, like how. You know how how groups of people can be so horrendous to others, they would realize how wrong it is. And unfortunately it comes to society at large. That seems not to be the case. I've spent a lot of time trying to figure that out and. I mean, I have theories on how at least small portions of it happened. I believe that there was a lot of manipulation. I believe that some percentage of the population didn't have knowledge of what was actually going on, meaning they were being lied to and they just didn't fully know. I believe that some people legitimately thought that they were doing what was right. I mean, I think, unfortunately, Hitler was, I mean, meth played a huge role in that, and I think he was just, I think he was just crazy. I think he took meth to the point where he was crazy. He actually probably believed he was a good person, you know, which is also kind of fascinating. And it also just again goes into the complexity of the human mind that someone could be such a horrific person and still have the understanding that they are not. How you feel about the world around you, like your internal compass, can sometimes be just way off. I don't know what causes that. I don't know where. I think there's a number of different things. Yeah, I think you're right. And depending upon there's things you could be born with, there's things that are genetic, there's environment, there's so many different things that play into it all. I do know that the National Geographic is doing some research and and I think the study they said they're it's going to take about 20 years, but this it's probably been at least 10 or 11 or 12 since I heard about the starting of it, but they were. What they wanted to do is they've discovered that I think it's the Emily God that portion of the brain. For people who are more empathetic, that area of their brain is larger. For people who are less empathetic, like sociopaths, it's much smaller. And or even like barely existent. And what they're trying to do is since the brain is so plastic, they're trying to see if they can switch those things off and on in people. Meaning like people who are sociopaths, can you can you train them or teach them to be more empathetic? I'm hoping they're not trying to do the reverse, but I'm not sure. Yeah, I really hope not either. I think empathy is actually a good thing. I think it would work, but I hope they don't do that. But. You know, as an incredibly empathetic person, sometimes you feel like that works against you. You know what I mean? Like, there's been moments in life where I'm like, wow, it would be nice not to feel this hard, you know? But where I am today, I understand that it's it's a gift. It's, you know, not a curse. Yeah, I completely agree. It's a better thing to have. Yeah. I mean, I I would rather have this than be the sociopath, but. It really is interesting to, I don't know, just really try and take a look at like where does this come from, you know, and and sometimes it's a lot of all those things that I just mentioned going on at the same time, which I don't know again because I'm an. An empath. It makes me sad because I'm like, there's some people out there that I feel like never, ever stood a chance. I agree. And I I think it is a combination of all the above, what you're saying before. I think it's a combination of all the different factors that go into a human's life, their their baseline genetics, their environment, how they understand their surroundings, which I guess would be kind of part of their nature, what they're seeing and how they're processing it changes how they're going to engage in the world around them because they may. You may be just misreading something entirely. Yeah, I think it goes back to the old saying. You know how we were taught our whole lives, like you need to treat people the way you want to be treated, and that is complete. like it's bullshit because how I prefer to be treated can be look entirely different to someone else. And I think people really get lost in translation there. Yeah. I remember my, this is when I fully realized that we were at the park. My son was probably like maybe, I don't know, six, seven, elementary school age, but not definitely not Super Bowl. He may have been six. Anyways, they were playing on the playground. There's this kid who was hanging from the monkeyAnd he had gone out too far and he was scared. And so my son just instinctively grabbed him and like put him on the ground. And I was glad that my son had that response and did that. But I had to tell him after he scared the kid as well too, right. And so I told my son, I was like, what you should have done is you should have let him know that's what you're going to do. I was like, you can't just go and grab people because you're going to terrify them. I started thinking to myself, I was like, you know, because in his mind, that's what he would probably. would want someone to do, but that's probably not what that kid would want. So I was like, I don't think it's a good idea to treat people how they want to be treated. I think it's probably best to, on some level, treat people what is best for that person. And that can be, those can be completely different things. And sometimes even hard to sort of determine what is best for someone. Well, that goes into love languages too, you know, just how people respond to certain actions and emotions. You know, some peopleare more about touch, others are more about... You know But yeah, I just grew up my entire life thinking, it's that simple. That's the rule. You know you treat people how you want to be treated, and some people don't want to be treated that way. Yeah you know I I was at a store one time, and the lady in front of us had this like relatively large insect in her hair, and I had started to reach to grab it. And my wife stopped me and then she just gave me a look like don't do anything. And I didn't. And she walked off with it and she was like, what did you think you were going to do in that situation that would make that better? I had to rethink. I was like, OK, yeah, you're right. I First off, I shouldn't just be touching a random person. And 2nd, you know, that may have just the better situation for her may not have even been aware that there was a bug in her hair. Yeah, right. Yeah. YeahIt's like sometimes even if you're trying to do what you think is the right thing, you may just create a bigger issue. Oh, I've I've struggled with that one a few times. Like if there's someone that's like walks out of a restroom and they have. toilet paper hanging off of their like shoe. I've learned that if I have the ability to, I'll step on that tissue, but I am not going to stop them and and tell them, hey, you know, you got some toilet paper hanging off of you, you know, unless I know you and I know like, you know,And I will always ask, like, are you the type of person that wants to know if you have food in your teeth? You know Who are you? And then I'll know how to respond to you. But yeah, for strangers, you just, you don't know. And I always feel like, you know, I don't, I don't want to embarrass them in any way, so. I've had multiple times in my life where I have gone to do something thinking I was, you know, helping someone and very quickly realizing thatThat was not what I should have been doing, but just did not realize that from that person. Because you know I'm now more cautious, almost to a fault sometimes, where I'm like, you know finding that balance in that is very challenging to to find that balance of like how you approach those situations. And fortunately, or I guess I should say, fortunately, they're relatively rare. And unfortunately, there isn't really an easy way of trying to figure that out. you know If someone's hair is on fire, I say you're you're good to go. Oh, yes. If they're in mortal danger, you kind of have to. Yeah. There There are no options. Then you just tackle the person if you have to. But even then, sometimes I feel like you get that really angry person that's like, mind your own business. Yes. Like I've seen people fumbling with groceries as I'm walking like you know into a grocery store, like fumbling or like trying to hold something really heavy. And my natural instinct is to just go help them. And sometimes, I mean, actually most of the time now, I usually just don't. Occasionally, I mean, I probably still will if it looks like it's about ready to drop. But like, yeah, sometimes you have to restrict yourself from the things that you want to do. Because it may it may be misread or terrifying for that person. It's possibly better for them to drop a can of soda than for them to be scared for their lives, I guess. It's a crapshoot. That's how I've learned most of life is. Yeah, reading through those things is very challenging. But I'm glad that I have learned that I need to. That's very helpful. Let me ask you this, what surprises you most about human nature? I would take this not from the individual perspective, but I would say the thing that shocks me the most about just the human species is that we have advanced really far with technology to the point where we are having a podcast and I there I there's no way I can explain how any of this stuff works. Well, we'll start off with 100 plugs I have going on around me right now, right? But we still have what I view to be like very simple, basic things that we just haven't seemed to get right, like having a more functioning society, even though we have people who are going into space. I I find that to be one of the most unusual things that exists on the same planet, because it just doesn't make sense how a species can be so capable of accomplishing so much. and still somehow accomplish so little in the things that really matter. Or like houses, for example. And this is just-- I mean, this is almost every house. Like Almost none of the houses that I know of, that people live in that I know, have any type of like tornado shelter or anything that's actually going to keep them safe in a in a storm. And I'm kind of wondering, we have really nice cabinets, but the whole point of the home was to keep you safe, right? Like It's like we seem to focus on the wrong things kind of perpetually, like almost consistently. And I find that to be really fascinating in human behaviors. You would think that you would just build the storm shelter first and then put in the nice cabinets, but the cabinets seem to be taking more presence over the... Yeah. Those cabinets are always nice, but if there's a tornado coming, you knowI find that to be kind of fascinating. And this is a very recent story that I think this one always blows my mind. So I guess there was this group of celebrities that, you know, just visited space for like 11 or 12 minutes and stories that they came back with, you know, were just how they sang during the experience and all of this. And And I was listening topeople's responses to this. And, you know, they were talking about how like incredible tone deaf so many are. Like when there are so many people right now that are literally suffering and are trying to find a way to just live every day, to listen to people talk about spending millions of dollars to visit space for 11 minutes, it really blows my mind. It is. Because I I just, I'd have so much more to say on it, but I don't know. I just, the inequality that exists in this world is just really terrifying, troublesome. I don't know, there's so many synonyms I can pull from. No, I I feel the exact same way. And the thing that that's also, I mean, just from a base level of amount of resources that it requires to get someone into space for that length of time,Superfluous would be the best way of saying that, meaning that that is a lot of resource. Including, I mean, I'm not sure how much fuel it requires to to get people in space for 11 seconds. Humans have to kind of realize at some point is if you do create a society where people living better lives, they'll be better people. So you'll see like crime rates drop, drug abuse drop. You'll see all these, what people view as a a blight on society, sort of melt away when people are living in better circumstances where they have more upward mobility. Not actually most of the time. Doing the right thing almost always ends up putting everyone in a better circumstance. You know As opposed to, say, you know taking someone who made a mistake, whether it be drug use ormaybe some act that they did when they were younger and putting them in jail with other people who are also, I mean, jails are very violent places. So it's like you take people and put them in a violent environment and expect them to be better when they get out, but they're not going to be better. You know As opposed to, say, trying to figure out why the the person acted the way they did in the first place, and solving that would be a much easier and better thing to do than just cycling them back and forth out of jail. You knowEvery couple of years I find that to be, yeah, yeah, right. And there are some, we are doing that in some directions. I mean that has been at least. I mean I know someone who is engaged in that and the results are actually pretty good, which is something that I think is collecting that data. Should be useful for us as a society. You would almost think that they got there and they looked down, they realized how we all kind of share the same plan, the same experience. You think they would have, yes, had a more enlightening, a more enlightening experience. But yeah, I actually haven't. I don't know. I think things are changing in that realm anyway. I mean, I think people are really starting to understand inequality that does exist in this world. And I don't know, I guess just getting back to what I was saying in the 1st place is I guess. empathy or lack thereof as we move forward in so many directions, how that just seems to digress. Yeah, they, you know, I guess the awareness that we are all human beings, that we are all part of this world, that we are all different, but the same. You know, for some of those people I do, you do kind of wonder how much they, if they everContemplate those things, or if they think of it as the problem is too big for them to solve, so therefore they don't engage. I mean, they could engage collectively, they could engage a lot more. I don't think it would require. No, I think collectively they could make a huge impact on so many. Yes, absolutely. Yes, that's a really interesting concept and that's a very hard one to kind of. to kind of gauge, because you also have to kind of think about the the person who, how they found themselves into that situation and how they got there. Certain people really like, like like a Jeff Bezos for example, like whoever he makes now is not going to matter. So you do kind of wonder sometimes, why are you still doing it? At what point do you ever you know realize that that you're chasing a numbers game and those numbers at this point now no longer haveany true intrinsic value because it's just numbers. Like an awareness of that that would be good, but that could just be his his brain doesn't function that way. He isn't. I'd have to talk to do a deeper dive in that and see like why people do what they do. That's a really complex. And I, well, and that those are the thoughts that keep me up at night. I mean, not entirely all night because I love sleep, but you know, it's just, I think it's the message that people reallyHave lost is that it doesn't matter what kind of pretty bow you try to wrap it up in. People are people and they are imperfect beings and we all struggle with something. you know, and if you sat back and and you tell yourself, I don't, you are a liar because perfection isn't a thing. I think that people, people need to really start understanding that because even if you have these people that you patronize or you think are on this different level than you, or you tell yourself, if I make X amount of money, then this is going to make me a happier person. Or if Itake on this and you know, I show up as this, then that's going to make me a more well-rounded, happier person. It just, it doesn't work that way. And so I think that people really need to start understanding that it is pretty basic at the heart of it all. Everybody has something and we need to really start treating people equally. Yeah, I agree. The hedonic treadmill is a very real thing. You know No matter how much you have, certain percentages of the population will always want more and more and more. I didn't hear the whole statement, so I don't want to speak out of context, but I think I heard something that Will Smith had said a couple days ago about how you get to the top of something and you look down and realize it didn't make you happy. I guess it could be the exact same as theYou have the football player who had that realization. People who are who are reaching that high up or you know the Bezos, clearly he is not, I can't say he's not a happy person, I don't know him personally. If I had to guess. Clearly he still feels the desire to to gain more even though that more has reached a level that is, at least from you know human civilization, just astronomical. There's countries that produce less than he makes and it all ends up becoming on a scale too. I mean, we currently right now, when it comes to like cobalt mining, for example, if I remember correctly, it's the I've been told it's the largest amount of slavery that has ever existed on our planet. All of it has to be mined. Well, then it shouldn't say has to be mined, but is the majority of it is currently being mined what they refer to as artisanal, which means like by hand. And it's mostly like, you know, women, kids, you know, anyone who can jump down to a hole and pull out metal. It's quite crazy to think that that's. Industry is based off of those type of things. So like your exploitation seems to be the thing that pays you the most in the world around us and that that is well too is kind of unfortunate from basically having to have a better or creating a better society. You think that that would be at some point we will figure that out that maybe that's not the way we should do it. Things should be more mutually beneficial. So if you had. One piece of advice you could give on understanding human behavior, attempt to understand it, I think would be mine. Yes, I would say I'll break it down into two parts. First, like from a personal perspective, understanding your own behavior is you have to be, you need to try to be very observant and how you feel, how you respond to things, what's going on around you and. be very self-reflective to try and figure out like what puts you in the best types of moods or the best situation that you can be in. And then from a societal perspective, look at literally everything that goes on in the world around you and try your best to put as many of the puzzle pieces together. I don't think it's a, at least within the human brain, I think that metadata could probably do this. And I'm super shocked that it hasn't, or at least it's not known. ButIt is a very complex and challenging thing, and so you have to observe as much as possible and just try and put as many puzzle pieces together as you can. When it comes to engaging the people around you, you do have to realize that everyone is coming from a different perspective, and so I think that having grace and acceptance is a very good thing to have. Even for the people who you would view as doing horrible things, there's usually a reason for it, and so I I try not to judge a lot becauseI know that people are. I'm hoping that people are doing the best that they can with their prospective genetics and also their circumstances. So the personal perspective, try to observe, you know, observe yourself. I guess observation is. The key Be curious and watch things. Not judgmental. Yeah, I love that. Yeah, I don't try. I mean, because things are way too complex. I mean, even something as simple as how I interact in the world around me is very complex. Like, I don't even fully understand myself. I have no, I'm under no suspicion that I'm going to fully understand the world around me. Simple. The simple truth that you may think you know someone and know. Absolutely nothing about what's going on in their lives. That is very true too. Or what's going on internally as well too. That also is like that applies to that as well, which is actually why I think it is also very important that the understanding of knowing that just a kind word to someone can really make such an impact. Because again, you have no idea where they're coming from in that day. They are struggling with what you know, any of it. And I know there are many times where a complete stranger would give me a compliment and I just held that so incredibly close to my heart because sometimes it's it's the only thing that gets you through. And I don't know, I just think the world would be a much better place if we all exercised a little more self-awareness. little less petty. Oh, I agree. You know, and again, really try to understand that people can be a lot more complex than we we think they are. And you know, really trying to make the initiative to understand people. That doesn't mean trying to fix people because there is a difference, but but really being open to understanding things. And that's one of the things that I have valued with our friendship is that you, there weretimes where I could have leaned into being judgmental and you kind of directed me in another place, you know, and was like, well, you know, maybe if you look at this or or think about this, you know, and it helped me understand like, okay, you know what, I'm not seeing the whole picture here. Yeah, the leading into the concept of it is a very challenging thing to do, both create a functioning society,where you aren't applying what is good or bad, but what is good or bad, unfortunately, sometimes it depends upon the circumstances of the situation, which goes back to, you know, what we were saying before about like how you help people. Sometimes, I mean, I have definitely found myself, I remember there was a butterfly that was flying by a paint can. I was trying to draw some paints I could throw it away, and I was scared I was going to get into the paint. And so I was trying to scare it away and I just scared it into the paint interaction. And And that's not the only time that's happened. I have found myself trying to fix something and you know it going wrong. I guess what I'm trying to say is like sometimes even what is not the best action is the action that an individual thinks is the best action, even if they are way off, because it is very complex. I mean, and back to. you know, I don't have a full understanding of myself. I clearly don't have a full understanding of the world around me. So I think you have to give people the flexibility of just not knowing because things are that complex. Yeah. I think at the end of the day, that most people really just want to be heard. You know, I don't think that they're necessarily looking to you for the solution, but I do think that everyoneshares and just wanting someone to to listen, to hear them, to validate that they exist. Yeah. you know They exist and they're having this experience collectively. Yes. YesYeah. So this is a question that I plan on asking all of my guests. What brings you peace in an ever-changing world? I think I find peace in having the understanding that I am a human being alive on the planet, and I'm one of just billions of other people. And hopefully, depending on how things go, billions of world will follow. And I find a lot of peace in knowing that I'm just a very small part of something that is much larger, and that my experiences are really just going toNot that it's just going to impact me, but I find that to be very peaceful knowing that no matter how this whole thing turns out, it was always going to go this way, meaning like the the serenity prayer type thing where it's like I can only engage and understand what I can understand. And I allowed myself to have that thought process of being like, this is what we are doing, this is what it is. And I find a lot of peace in that and just being a part of it and there's. just billions of other variables and factors and conscious being on this with me. And we're all kind of just doing it together. I would have to agree. Other than hugging a tree, which I do too, I have found that releasing the need to control the outcomes on situations has given me a great sense of peace because, you know, you can only do what you can do. And I think if you're leading withGood intentions. I don't think you can ever really go wrong there. Yeah. And, you know, maybe it's something that has come with age. Maybe it's something that has become a lot more apparent to me over the past, say, five years. You know, the idea that we really have control over most of what goes on around us. You know, it's just we don't. Life is life and life is going to happen. And there's a lot of things that we are not going to expect or be prepared for. And even if we were prepared for them, we're not guaranteed the outcome we would would necessarily want. So I think the best way to do it all is just to lead with intention, you know, and hopefully that's good intention. And I think that can bring you an amazing sense of peace. Yeah. Take deep breaths and try your best. Yeah. And oddly, it is that simple. Yeah, I have absolutely loved having you on here. We didn't have any bleeps that I know of. I'm really excited about that. Of course, I'll be told something in the editing process, but I hope it all goes well because I'm. really excited to start getting these podcasts out. And this whole thing started because I simply love the art of conversation. I think that if we engaged in it more, and I don't mean just talking to people, listening is such an important part of that process and being open to listening. You don't necessarily have to agree with what someone is saying, but leaving yourself opento experience what is being said, I think it can create good change. Oh, I agree. It always leads to just understanding anything is always good. Whether you agree or not, understanding is the best. It is. Yeah. Well, have a wonderful night. You as well. Thank you for doing this. And I hope to be able to have you on again. I am already hoping to have his wife on. She is a business owner, and I just absolutely love where she's taken her business. Wonderful person. So that's always a good, good, good combo. But we'll talk later on that. But thanks, Matt. Have a wonderful evening. You too. Thank you so much. I truly enjoyed it. Welcome to the first episode of Think Piece. In this conversation, I sit down with my friend Matt to talk about human behavior—how we grow, why we sometimes get stuck, and what it means to truly see ourselves and each other.

This isn’t a lecture. It’s a thoughtful exchange between two people trying to make sense of the world and our place in it.

If you’ve ever found yourself reflecting on your own patterns, or wondering why people do the things they do… lean in. This one might just be for you.

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